Ramblings of an old Doc
Published on February 23, 2011 By DrJBHL In Personal Computing

 

It turns out that the company sporting the motto "don't be evil" has been asking parents nationwide to disclose their children's personal information, including Social Security Numbers, and recruiting schools to help them do it, all by entering an art contest.

The Contest is called "Doodle-4-Google".  The company is even offering prize money to schools to enlist their help. Google even “OK’s” and “partners with” the following after school activities per their FAQ (I wonder how much who paid whom?):

“The Contest is also open to students who participate in one of the following “After School
Programs” and are also enrolled in a U.S. School as defined above: (i) Boys & Girls Clubs of America; or (ii) Girl Scouts of the USA.” They avoided the Boy Scouts, though.

It sound like fun?  Don't you want your kid to enter too?

OK! Who’s Eligible?

“4. Eligibility. The Contest is open to students enrolled in private or public elementary and secondary schools (grades K–
12) as well as home schools (grades K-12) in the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, excluding U.S. territories
(collectively, “U.S. School(s)”). The Contest is also open to students who participate in one of the following “After School
Programs” and are also enrolled in a U.S. School as defined above: (i) Boys & Girls Clubs of America; or (ii) Girl Scouts of
the USA. Registration opens January 19, 2011. Registration ends March 2, 2011 at 11:59:59 P.M. Pacific Time (PT).
Only one doodle per Entrant is allowed. In the case of duplicate or multiple entries from the same Entrant, then the first
entry to arrive at the designated submission address (as determined by the “received by” date) will be accepted as the entry
into the Contest. Internet access is required to register for the Contest. At the time of submission of a Doodle, each Entrant
must: (i) be a U.S. citizen or a permanent U.S. legal resident (e.g., must be able to show proof of legal permanent
residence, for example, a “green card”); (ii) be enrolled in a U.S. School (defined above); (iii) have obtained his or her
parents’ or legal guardians’ prior permission and have agreed to be bound by these Rules on the Parent Consent Form.”

The reason Google gives for doing this competition in their FAQ says it's because "We love to encourage and celebrate the creativity of young people..." etc. isn’t that nice?

W a i t   a  minute:

A huge database of names and addresses of American children, especially one that includes their dates of birth and SSNs, would be worth many millions to marketing firms and retailers, wouldn’t it?

You see, what Google knows (and many parents don't know) is that a person's city of birth and year of birth can be used to make a statistical guess about the first five digits of his/her social security number. 

“Part of the security problem lies with the method used to assign SSNs. The researchers note that only four digits of the nine digit SSN are random. The first three digits are called the Area Number (AN) and the next two are the Group Number (GN). ANs are allocated to specific states and GNs to specific birth years. Given the date of birth and place of birth, researchers need only guess at the final four digits.” - Alessandro Acquisti and Ralph Gross
Carnegie Mellon University.

So…. with the form you see above, you’ve just given Google your child’s Social Security Number. They don’t even have to guess. And you were worried about computer security?

So: If you can obtain those last four SSN digits explicitly, you've unlocked countless troves of personal information from someone who didn't even understand that such a disclosure was happening. This kind of data can be linked with other databases to target advertising, but Google wouldn’t do that, surely?  Faster than a long tailed tom cat in a room full of rockers, I say.

It's worth many times more than what Google will spend on prizes (each State Finalist gets a T-shirt! The winner gets a Wacom tablet! Wow!). Maybe the TShirt should look like this?

To be strictly fair, Google hasn’t disclosed any such plan, nor has evidence surfaced exposing one. The entry form is one half page followed by five pages of legal mumbo-jumbo in (you guessed it) small print.

Google could have plans to just throw the data away, right? Maybe “the last 4” was inadvertently added to the competition form? There are all sorts of innocent and inconceivable explanations for this, aren’t there? So why (from their FAQ) is “Doodle 4 Google is still designed to work with schools across the nation (public, private and home schools).” Why not schools outside the USA? Maybe because those kids have no “last four”?

So, one question keeps haunting me: “Why the hell does Google need the “last four”?”

Additional links:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3828716/Social-Security-Numbers-Easy-to-Hack.htm

http://www.google.com/doodle4google/faqs.html


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on Feb 28, 2011

And to join starkers' cell-bashing,

It's more that I just don't like the damned things.... but when you speak of their annoyance factor in classrooms, reataurants and theatres, etc, maybe I should bash them... a lot.

As for cell phones in bars/pubs.... should be a nono, period.   Before the advent of cell phones you could go to the pub and get into a conversation with any number of other patrons, and you could pick up a few new jokes to take home to tell the missus.

Not any more!  Go to the pub these days and every Tom, Dick and Harry is on a cell phone yacking.... and you don't even have to say anything to get your head bitten off: "Oi, piss off, can't you see I'm on the F*%@$#g phone?"

Yup, it should be just like the doctors office.... cell phones turned OFF at the door... or be confiscated until.... nah, just confiscated.  In fact, we should have no-go, exclusion zones, like they had in the Wild West with cowpokes and gunslingers having to leave their guns at the city limits.  The same should apply to cell phones nowadays, and folks can pick 'em up on the way out.... except for cell phone with Google's Android OS on them.

See, there'd be two collection boxes!   One for regular cell phone pick ups upon exit, and the other box with a compacter device like you see at wrecking yards especially for Google phones.  Exitees can pick up what's left of their Google phone if they can recognise it among the debris, not that there'd be much point... which is the point, ridding the world of another Google device/gimmick/eavesdropper.

Is that enough of a bash or does it need to be more aggresive/vitriolic?

on Feb 28, 2011

You'll have a bashin' good time either way starkers. So ... without further adud I yeild the floor to the Master Blaster Basher.

on Mar 01, 2011

And another reason mobile phone usage should be severely restricted is that studies have linked their prolonged usage to brain tumors; blood disorders; deceased brain function; stomach disorders and indigestion; impotence and infertility; haemhorroids and cankers; boils, warts and blisters; ingrown toenails and genital warts.

See, I told you Google is evil.... just look at all the shit their Android phones deliver besides calls and email.

Come to think of it, which I do, with all the things that could go wrong with a person, they should probably be banned altogether.... except for politicians; bankers; advertisers; lawyers and Google executives, though the decreased brain activity should not be a problem for politicians.

It's most likely bankers would be the group most likey to get genital warts, being they're always willing to screw anyone and everyone over, including themselves.  So, if you discover a friend, neighbour or relative suddenly has genital warts and a shiny new car, rest assured they've been successful in securing a loan when they went down to the bank.

And personally, besides the haemhorroids and cankers, I think the Google executives should be afflicted with the impotence and infertility.  It mightn't delete all that personal data [scandals and the like] they take so much pleasure in reading during their coffee breaks, but eventually it would ensure the breed dies out.... cos if there's any breed up for extinction, it's Google executives.

As for advertisers {which would include Google execs} all of the above should be visited upon them, especially the boils, warts and haemhorroids.  As for lawyers, well there hasn't been one worth his salt since Perry Mason kicked the bucket, so there'd be no tears shed here if their cells delivered the 7 plagues of Egypt to them via email, voicemail, whatever.

on Mar 01, 2011

Fistalis
Funny thing is people give out their full SS# willingly on a daily basis. Apply for a job? Full SS# required on the application. Apply for a credit card, bank account, utility hook up etc etc. In the case of a job application.. the employer doesn't need it on the application.. only once you have been hired, how many people have access to that application and ALL your data?

Point is SS#s (and all your personal data) are floating around easily accessed, and no one seems to care about it. But suddenly google collects the last 4 digits and its a travesty.. lol.

I'm not saying its acceptable.. simply that people seem to ignore how easy a persons information can be obtained and exchanged in everyday life.

There is a 2 edged sword there.  On the one hand, by law, the business cannot require you to give it (the SS Act states it can only be used for tracking your contributions to the fund).  On the other hand, there is no legal obligation for the businesses to do business with you!  So they "ask" you for it, and you "voluntarily" give it.  But as you insinutate, the "voluntary" part is the same as a shotgun wedding.

on Mar 01, 2011

Another reason parents should NOT allow their kids to enter this Doodle debacle is that Google is getting in early to separate the future's captive markets and captiive workforce.

Those kids with little or no artistic flair will be sorted into the captive market category and will be targeted with various types of products and services based on what was gleaned from their doodles.  For example, if a kids draws a car they will be lambasted with [everything] auto ads. If a kid doodles pics of animals they'll be incessantly sent pet shop and veterinary advertising.... and if a kid draws pictures of his/her large family, they'll occasionally be targeted with condom/contraception ads.  I say occasionally because Google will think [despite its obligations to pill, condom, diaphram manufacturers] 'the more the merrier

As for the kids who show artistic ability, well they'll be seconded into the Google workforce as billboard designer/creators.  Not completely satisfied with owning the internet monopoly on advertising, Google plans to replace everybody elses posters with their own. You'll see them on the sides of buses, trains, taxis, public and private buildings, on the sides, tops and bottoms of space shuttles {so's people with telescopes can see them]... even in tattoos of the rich and famous who have already been paid off/pwned by Google.

Yes, Google revieved history and realised that world domination by military means was futile.  Although the Romans, Alexander the Great and Gengis Khan built vast empires on the back of military conquests. they never had the means and military might to rule the world... and Google WANTS IT ALL.  Hence, your kids will be employed... er, exploited in various ways to defeat us from the inside.

There has been talk of a World Government for years now... Google wants.... er, intends to BE it.  So be afraid... be very afraid.

on Mar 02, 2011

Okay, so I'm feeling a bit red faced at the moment.

 

OR should I say, a lot?

And no, it has nothing to do with the woman down the street who told me she had an X-ray photo app on her Android phone... and that the happy snap she took [which is me minus my clothes] would appear in the Google archives thanks to the phone home facility.

Anyway, more on the later......

 

 

on Mar 02, 2011

on Mar 02, 2011

on Mar 02, 2011

starkers
Another reason parents should NOT allow their kids to enter this Doodle debacle is that Google is getting in early to separate the future's captive markets and captiive workforce.

Those kids with little or no artistic flair will be sorted into the captive market category and will be targeted with various types of products and services based on what was gleaned from their doodles.  For example, if a kids draws a car they will be lambasted with [everything] auto ads. If a kid doodles pics of animals they'll be incessantly sent pet shop and veterinary advertising.... and if a kid draws pictures of his/her large family, they'll occasionally be targeted with condom/contraception ads.  I say occasionally because Google will think [despite its obligations to pill, condom, diaphram manufacturers] 'the more the merrier

As for the kids who show artistic ability, well they'll be seconded into the Google workforce as billboard designer/creators.  Not completely satisfied with owning the internet monopoly on advertising, Google plans to replace everybody elses posters with their own. You'll see them on the sides of buses, trains, taxis, public and private buildings, on the sides, tops and bottoms of space shuttles {so's people with telescopes can see them]... even in tattoos of the rich and famous who have already been paid off/pwned by Google.

Yes, Google revieved history and realised that world domination by military means was futile.  Although the Romans, Alexander the Great and Gengis Khan built vast empires on the back of military conquests. they never had the means and military might to rule the world... and Google WANTS IT ALL.  Hence, your kids will be employed... er, exploited in various ways to defeat us from the inside.

There has been talk of a World Government for years now... Google wants.... er, intends to BE it.  So be afraid... be very afraid.

A long way to say - Brave New World!  Very cynical too!

And sad that I agree with you.

on Mar 02, 2011


There has been talk of a World Government for years now... Google wants.... er, intends to BE it. So be afraid... be very afraid.

There's no money in being a government, so that can't be their objective.  They just want all the governments to rely on them, along with the rest of us.

I remeber a few years ago they were trying to do something or other, legally, so you couldn't say 'Google it' or 'I Googles that' because they didn't want their name used in such a way. I wonder if they still feel the same.

We're contracted with their facility in Charleston SC. It's freaking amazing. From the 'security net gate' that can stop a runaway 18 wheeler to the beer taps inside they broke down and took the locks off of. One thing contradicts the next and on the surface seems like the last orgnization bent on world dominance.

on Mar 02, 2011

And they say what about google in Egypt? Hmmmmmm

on Mar 02, 2011

PoSmedley
There's no money in being a government, so that can't be their objective.  They just want all the governments to rely on them, along with the rest of us.

"Knowledge is power" as the truism goes, and so is information. You're absolutely correct about them not wanting to be a government, and for the reason stated.

They are as ethical as we force them to be. The dominance they seek is in dealing and information trading and buying anything that can help and choking what competes. That's just business. Not good business, just business.

And they say what about google in Egypt? Hmmmmmm

There is absolutely no evidence of any Google involvement in the events in Egypt, Uvah. Twitter and the like? Yes. Google, no.

 

on Mar 02, 2011

There's no money in being a government

More like, "There's no profit in being a civilized government." Nor should there be. But decent government costs money, including reasonable salaries for folks doing the work.

Some stuff is better left to merchants, other stuff is best left to public servants. In healthy democratic systems, we are all the government and only some of us are merchants. But simple truths like that have been buried in craptastic language spewed by brilliant marketers since the late '60s.

p.s. Like every spoiled child of the U.S., I take decent toilets to be a fundamental part of civilization. Almost all the sewer systems I've used have been public infrastructure. So far as I know, all toilets in the U.S. are made by merchants, but if Google became a dominant toilet manufacturer, I'd start looking for a socialist toilet if I needed to replace one.

on Mar 03, 2011

A long way to say - Brave New World! Very cynical too!

I am very cynical when it comes to Google...how could I be any other way?  Its objectives are not to be trusted. PERIOD!!!   There is ALWAYS an ulterior motive to EVERYTHING Google does.  And anyone who believes otherwise needs to trade in their rose coloured glasses for ones with real lenses.

And sad that I agree with you.

I'm pleased to hear... er, read that.  I just wish more people would write/vocalise their disenchanted/distrusting/suspicious feelings on Google more often and more freely.   We gotta let them know we're on to them and a nuke on Google HQ is not out of the question when they get too big for their boots.... though some people [such as me] would say that the deployment of that nuke is long, long, long overdue.

There's no money in being a government, so that can't be their objective.

Don't tell the multi-millionaire politicians that... those who mixed politics with business AND pleasure.... and come up smelling of dollars.  Funny, that, how corrupt money has a distinct odour... and how politicians usually reek of it.

Sadly, I'll have to disagree with you here, Po`.   A World Government run by Google would make money.... simply because it would be harnessed to Google Omnipotent {or some such name] and have every resource at its disposoal, courtesy of Googles "we know everything' archives.  And sadly, there's no hiding anything from the Google toilet... so ALL our lives will be an open book, thus making it simpler and cost effective for the Google Government to rule us.  And when I say RULE, I mean exactly that... and Gaddafi type airstikes wouldf not be out of the question if you refuse to squat on a Google toilet and make like a bear who takes a dump in the woods.

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Yup, woke up this morning and I'm still

It's not entirely my fault... but more about that later.

mrs s wants to go get credit for her new phone.

on Mar 03, 2011

There should be a sign in Oz that reads ... "Google resides at own risk".

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