Ramblings of an old Doc
Welcome to Windows as a Service (WaaS)
Published on April 25, 2022 By DrJBHL In Personal Computing

Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols isn't paranoid. He's actually rather smart, and his reasoning is excellent. I'm not an anti-W11er for no reason. I felt all along the it was essentially unnecessary, as W10 could be continually developed, and that the processor requirement and TP2 dustup were basically nonsense because as long as code will exist, hackers will as well, and no code is un-hackable.

"Yes, the Windows 11 security updates are good — if you have the right hardware. But  as I pointed out recently, you can already use those security updates if you're running the Windows 10 20H2 release (Windows 10 October 2020 Update). So the point in upgrading from Windows 10 to 11 is…what, exactly?" - Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols

I come from a time when the desktop was the revolution...you were given control over your data, word processing, publishing, etc. It was wonderful, if buggy at times. Remember W7? It was great. So is W10! W11 is the tube to DaaS. 

DaaS isn't bad except for one thing: You will no longer have control over your OS. You won't be calling the shots, M$ will, and it'll cost a pretty penny, too. Microsoft 365 goes for $33 (US) per month...and will go up. What will W11 OS cost? Count on it. X-Box will be an additional cost, too. 

"What I think is important is that, in combination with the subscription feature, this makes it easier for you to pay not just for Microsoft 365, but for Windows itself. No longer will Windows be a one-and-done purchase. It will be forever a subscription service with only one foot in your PC and the other ever more firmly in the cloud...Microsoft sneaked a Microsoft subscription manager into the February 2022 Windows 11 update. Check it out: look into the Windows 11 Settings menu > Accounts and you'll find a new section called "Your Microsoft account." There, you’ll find your Microsoft 365 subscription status, how full your OneDrive cloud storage is, and other details." - 

 

Maybe it pays for a business, I can't opine regarding that.

For me, it's the sneaky, M$y way this is all being done that really causes me great concern, and may well be my exit point from the M$ world. W11 Home users initially required having an M$ account which they could later delete. W11 Pro users had to have an M$ account which they could not later remove and still have W11 Pro. And ask yourselves, "Why do I need an M$ account to dl and install the upgrade which was supposed to be "free"? Well, what's your privacy (nonexistent) worth?

Do give the articles linked below a read. You're entitled to your opinions, and feel free to express them.

 

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3652612/windows-11-the-end-of-the-old-school-windows-desktop.html

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3636788/windows-11-microsofts-pointless-update.html


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on Apr 26, 2022

DrJBHL

the OS and apps will reside in the Cloud and you'll pay for them monthly or yearly

How would Microsoft stop that from being a massive flop. The last time they flopped on an OS, Windows 8, it cost Steve Balmer his job.

on Apr 26, 2022


Sorry, I it seems I confused something. And: English is not my first language. Not everything that may sound harsher is intended to do so. No bad blood intended, just discussing and trying to understand why You are so passionate in hating windows 11.

I don't hate it. I dislike the sneaky, underhanded way MS is trying to remove my control over my computer, misrepresenting the fact that W11 os not much more than a glorified security patch for W10. and turning the OS into something that will force me to pay minthly dues to use it.

on Apr 26, 2022

PhoenixRising1


Quoting DrJBHL,

the OS and apps will reside in the Cloud and you'll pay for them monthly or yearly



How would Microsoft stop that from being a massive flop. The last time they flopped on an OS, Windows 8, it cost Steve Balmer his job.

Reread the articles. Subscription models exist all over and are successful. Step by step they'll bring Windows to a subscription service. W11 is the beginning.

Explain to me why else you need to have an account? Why is your OS telling you to update your personal information?

on Apr 26, 2022

DrJBHL

Explain to me why else you need to have an account? Why is your OS telling you to update your personal information?

The obvious is that Microsoft is really wanting to push their subscription service's, the less obvious is that yes, Microsoft is planning to put ads into their OS and wants easy purchases. I do not believe that equates to making Windows as a whole a REQUIRED subscription service, just several new ways to make money.

Some subscriptions such as Microsoft 365 might not be ideal, but people are able to vote with their wallet if it is worth it or not. I do have to refute this talk of xbox live being at all bad. Actually it is pretty awesome. Basically, it is a Netflix type of subscription for gamer's and is well worth it's monthly cost.

on Apr 26, 2022

All things come to those who patiently wait.

on Apr 26, 2022

DrJBHL


Quoting adni18,

I really do not understand, where does the conclusion come from that because the Microsoft 365 (aka Office) needs payment, the same will happen with Windows 11, you don't think that this conclusion is at least arbitrary ..   



Hi, Nikos. Good to see you.

I don't think that you'll have to pay for W11 per se. W11 is a firm step towards WaaS (Windows as a Service) where your OS will not be under your control and will basically reside mostly in the cloud. In other words, the OS and apps will reside in the Cloud and you'll pay for them monthly or yearly sort of like Adobe's Creative Cloud. Take a look at the two articles in the OP, this one first https://www.computerworld.com/article/3652612/windows-11-the-end-of-the-old-school-windows-desktop.html

 

Thank you Seth for your explanation, but if this becomes a reality, then I am sure that new good alternatives will emerge, as always happens in such cases.

on Apr 26, 2022

naroon1

MS will give up on 7 unless there is a serious issue, that is the way of things. How will 0Patch fair against compatibility with vendors not updating Drivers etc.. almost all OSs stop being supported after a while, does 0patch fix that sort of thing too, really curious.

Once an OS stops being messed with by MS directly there's no changes to it requiring compensation with new drivers.  Once a system is working it can stay that way until the cows come home.  Driver Booster still finds updates from time to time, and providing they didn't 'just' come out yesterday I usually apply them, but I learned decades ago never to use the 'newest' Video driver....not until its inherent bugs were resolved....so I was always several months behind.

Bottom line is....MS might give up on 7, but there's quite a few people who won't....

on Apr 26, 2022

adni18

Thank you Seth for your explanation, but if this becomes a reality, then I am sure that new good alternatives will emerge, as always happens in such cases.

You're welcome, old friend. Yes, probably other OSs.

on Apr 27, 2022



Quoting naroon1,

MS will give up on 7 unless there is a serious issue, that is the way of things. How will 0Patch fair against compatibility with vendors not updating Drivers etc.. almost all OSs stop being supported after a while, does 0patch fix that sort of thing too, really curious.



Once an OS stops being messed with by MS directly there's no changes to it requiring compensation with new drivers.  Once a system is working it can stay that way until the cows come home.  Driver Booster still finds updates from time to time, and providing they didn't 'just' come out yesterday I usually apply them, but I learned decades ago never to use the 'newest' Video driver....not until its inherent bugs were resolved....so I was always several months behind.

Bottom line is....MS might give up on 7, but there's quite a few people who won't....

Hi Jafo hope you are well.

Surely running a Computer until the cows come home is not the best way forward, all systems slow over time due to numerous issues (nothing runs perfectly for ever). Driver support does end, i thought all Vendors stop releasing or supporting older OSs like Win7.

My Graphics card is Nvidia, always bought there cards, even got a new update 30 minutes ago, too old for Gaming. I seem to be lucky with there drivers, never had 1 single issue with an update from Nvidia, or maybe i have not been effected as i do not Game.

on Apr 27, 2022

DrJBHL

Explain to me why else you need to have an account?
Microsoft Store?

on Apr 27, 2022


but I learned decades ago never to use the 'newest' Video driver....not until its inherent bugs were resolved....so I was always several months behind.
This may be a tad OT, but how does one stop Windows Updates from installing gpu driver updates.  Mine keeps effing with me.  I have reinstalled my gfx driver thrice in one day.   GGggrrrrr.

 

on Apr 27, 2022

RedneckDude


Quoting DrJBHL,

Explain to me why else you need to have an account?

Microsoft Store?

Red, please read this article. The MS store has nothing to do with this.

on Apr 27, 2022

RedneckDude


Quoting Jafo,

but I learned decades ago never to use the 'newest' Video driver....not until its inherent bugs were resolved....so I was always several months behind.

This may be a tad OT, but how does one stop Windows Updates from installing gpu driver updates.  Mine keeps effing with me.  I have reinstalled my gfx driver thrice in one day.   GGggrrrrr.

 

What OS are you on Red. I always go direct to NVidias website, you should be able to stop Windows update from offering updates for other things like GPU Drivers, on Win 11 in update settings, click Advanced Options and move the slider to off, then you can pick and choose when you update.

on Apr 27, 2022

RedneckDude

This may be a tad OT, but how does one stop Windows Updates from installing gpu driver updates.  Mine keeps effing with me.  I have reinstalled my gfx driver thrice in one day.   GGggrrrrr.

Depending on which OS you are on...Google methods of 'blocking' updates.  I managed so well on Terry's machine [Win 10] it never came good again.  Even a deliberate re-install over was a no-go.

Ended up as a full reformat.  I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit....only way to be sure....

 

on Apr 27, 2022

[quote who="Jafo" reply="59" id="3849019"]

Quoting RedneckDude,

This may be a tad OT, but how does one stop Windows Updates from installing gpu driver updates.  Mine keeps effing with me.  I have reinstalled my gfx driver thrice in one day.   GGggrrrrr.



Depending on which OS you are on...Google methods of 'blocking' updates.  I managed so well on Terry's machine [Win 10] it never came good again.  Even a deliberate re-install over was a no-go.

Ended up as a full reformat.  I say we take off and nuke the entire site from orbit....only way to be sure....

 

Just as there are many tools on the net to stop Ms taking our data, there are also loads of apps that can switch off updates in all recent OSs. Most are just one click on and one click off, but switching off updates can be a bad idea as security patches will not get through, i use these more as a temp tool for convenience

OOSU

Stop Updates

Stop Win Updates  (I know , they are really called this and put on the market, Idiot Proof maybe in the name).

 

Brilliant Movie Jafo, i have created a Fantastic 1080p X265 from a Blu Ray Disc in my collection, it is crisp and clear for an 80s movie, you get to see a lot more of those darker scenes as i have used some filters during the conversion.

 

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