Jafo

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Where's Microsoft Bob when you need him? ...

Will Clippy do?

But W11 does? Try looking at the menus, apps and icons...and think "finished" for that OS which should have had a centralized, supervisory oversight of all the team silos going in different directions.

https://www.neowin.net/news/getting-the-basics-of-windows-11-right-should-be-a-higher-priority-for-microsoft/

And W11 is "forward"?

All it can honestly be called is a glorified security patch for W10 with some superficial makeup...which M$  claimed would be its last OS, to evolve with time. 

Btw...if it's "forward", why will we need user "workaround" hack-oids not to sign onto your required M$ account to use your computer? Seriously?

Things like this is why Microsoft has become Microshit. End of story.   

Forward as in the latest Operating System, i have explained this before Doc, i need to offer support for work for those users who need Win 11 support, so to move backwards to an older Operating System simply will not work for me and others. I have to have Hands on time, yes i still can offer support for Win 10 as it is still considered mainstream. Sticking to Win 7 like Jafo would mean i had no job.

MS can still do things i as a user do not agree with, all those requirements for peeps machines needing before they can upgrade from 10 to 11 a good example, i had to make those changes to the OS so my Custom Built Rig which is still very fast and effective, could run Win 11, and here i am after those changes with Win 11 running as well as i want or need it too.

So when and if Win 11 becomes a Daas, lots of peeps like me, you and others will not like or need it, we make some changes, getting it back to how we want. Come on Doc, we all customise our PCs, me more than anyone, to make them look and work how we want. As a Power PC user with my job and Forum, i considered every OS since Win 7 not fit for my needs, as i can not look at the same desktop for all those hours without going crazy, so we change that environment , making it work for us, it is no different really. So if i have to jump through one hoop(or one less not having to sign into a MS account) when setting up my future Win 11 OSs to make them look and work how i want, i will do it. If your reasoning was correct, we would all be living our digital life's on just a Default setting right across the board, there would be no forum here for one. If Change is necessary, i say change it, change is both good and bad, and if and when it is needed, i go for it, at the end of the day MS will do what it wants, if it changes something that i do not like , i am not going to complain if i can do something about it.

Ok, naroon1, I understand you, because it's your work and you depend on it. Np, my friend.

Luckily, however, I don't need MS nor Windows to survive. I'll happily move on to Linux, or MacOS...hell, I'll use a plug in abacus but no one, and I mean no one is going to make me buy a new MS approved computer to pay to use whatever passes as their OS, apps and Cloud.

Here is a pretty good tool to get rid of all the services you do not want on your Windows 11 version. It is always good to take back control of your PC.

https://beebom.com/how-debloat-windows-11-improve-performance/

My big problem with W11 is that it's a fraud and a big step on the way to WaaS...Windows as a service. MS forgets there are other OSs.

I think that we have all been wanting a Linux OS to take that big step for over a decade now. The problem is that it never actually happens. If linux ever takes that big step I will be the first in line but I do not se it as a realistic option atm. As far as Apple goes, I do not view them as a better company, just a different form of money grabbing. I feel Apple has cornered their market for years and that isn't a good alternative either.

The real problem is that both Microsoft and Apple have gotten too big. Linux just can't compete with them or really get into the market because of that.

I'm ok with that, but I'd go MacOS because of my imaging software...linux isn't there yet. But MS? Nope.

Fair enough.

Thinking about it now maybe the crowd that likes Apple and the crowd that likes Microsoft really hasn't changed that much in 10 years.

Apple is still for the people that just want their stuff to work with little hassle. Microsoft is for the crowd that wants to get under the hood and make all kinds of changes and really tinker with making their pc to make it function a certain way. Surely, to enjoy Windows 11 modifications do need to be made i.e. start 11.

I do agree with you on some of the subscription and adware type of stuff that Windows 11 is inserting into Windows 10 / 11. They are annoyances and pc users are relying on places such as github, stardock, ect. to clean up and create the Windows experience that is desired. I think that requires someone with a love of mods in order to really enjoy Windows 11

All you have to do is pro-actively educate your users NOT to move to a new OS.

New is not always better, in fact more often than not it is simply worse.

The new commercial model for Windows is probably extremely good for Microsoft....at the expense of all the individual users who will be paying more...and forever.

I used to subscribe to Technet back in the day.  I paid annually for Microsoft's 'stuff', but it wasn't one OS on one machine.  It was for DOZENS of them....along with relevant Office Suites as well.

I was getting value for money...and cannot begrudge the system.

But this is fundamentally different.

Instead [ignoring the 5 systems using 10] I own 'outright' my OS.  It works just fine, and with a subscription to 0patch it stays 'current' and more secure than a buggy Windows Update process.

Too many people equate 'new' with 'better'.  They are  most commonly mutually exclusive terms.

Well said.

"New", maybe. "Better"? Yes...but for whom?  Microsoft. Not you.

What the hell is Daas?

It's the Doug Anthony All Stars ....

I in the past have been just like many others, ie...   waiting for a new OS to iron out it's usual issues. I have always put the latest OS on one of my machines from day one to see what all the Hype is about. For me though, i found Win 11 Enterprise to be fine, it worked well, did the job i needed it to do, so soon adopted faster than i usually would.

hell, I'll use a plug in abacus          That is a brilliant turn of phrase Doc and gave me a giggle when i seen it.

I did not think Win 11 support in my job would be so busy so soon, but it was from day one of it's launch, i thought , here we go, these peeps will need a tutorial on any Win 11 new features, but it was seldom about how to use Win 11, more about little changes and how it effected how it worked when using my Companies sites and Software, which is similar to Win 10.

I do not blame you for hating the direction Win 11 is going in, i too do not like it, hopefully many more will hate it too, but as we know MS does not listen to it's customers, probably never will.

I will certainly share any fixes or workaround  ( within the rules)when and if they are needed Mate.