Ramblings of an old Doc

 

To understand this, you have to understand that W10 will have multiple editions, each requiring a ‘service branch’ all of its own.

“There are going to be three Windows 10 servicing branches when the product launches: Current Branch (CB), Current Branch for Business (CBB) and Long Term Servicing Branch (LTSB). Different versions of Windows 10 will give users access to different servicing branches.” – Mary Jo Foley

You should read her article linked in her name (also below), because I’m not going to ‘scrape’ her article, nor use extensive quoting. Just know there’s another branch: the ‘Long term service branch’ (the Long Term Servicing Branch, unique to Enterprise devices, allows users to only install security updates and defer any new features).

What it boils down to is this: W10 Home will have to accept (‘Current Branch’) all new features, fixes and updates MS pushes through Windows Update. They will be tested by MS and a public crew of selected testers before they’re pushed. However there’ll be no deferring nor choosing. You don’t accept? It might very well mean voiding your warranty and not receiving further updates.

W10 Pro will have two ‘service branches’: The ‘Current Branch (CB)’ or ‘Current Branch for Business (CBB)’. If CB is chosen, same rules as W10 Home. ‘CBB’ will be able to choose updating through Windows Update, through Windows Update for Business or through Windows Server Update Services. The Windows update for Business will allow Admins more control over how and when they deliver the fixes, patches and new features, but for how long, it’s not clear. In other words, they’ll have a longer leash, but the leash will be there, have no doubt.

The inherent stratification of rights over your own computer and what will go on it is clear.

However, I’d really like to know why MS thinks it has the right to pull this? Oh yeah. The license/OEM agreements. You continue to be a commodity, and commodities have no say, not that we have much of any now.

Also, it’s not clear if you’ll be paying a monthly fee to maintain the privilege of being in this “agreement”. Agreement…lol….and if you don’t pay? You’d better have learned Linux, because I’m betting that if you don’t pay 3 months in a row, your OS will work only in the most basic way.

Also unclear is to what degree they’ll allow you to customize your OS (as to skinning the UI), and if folks know, they aren’t talking. I’m glad SD mitigated MS’s screw-ups, but as to W10, who knows?

All this stuff is “informed rumor” at this stage, but with all the smoke, there’s got to be fire somewhere.

This Windows 8 –> Windows 10 thing started as a disaster, and continues down the same track, if for different reasons. “Resistance is futile”.

Not really: Resistance is Linux…and it’s looking better and better to me.

 

Sources:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/piecing-together-the-windows-as-a-service-puzzle-for-windows-10/

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/15/windows-10-home-and-pro-automatic-updates-could-become-mandatory/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e1609%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e1o42


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on May 19, 2015

How long will I be able to run win 7? 

on May 19, 2015

Until 2020.

on May 19, 2015

Do you know if Deskscapes is working as well with 10 as it is with 8.1 ?

Also does Dream Maker work as well too ?

Anyone Know ?

on May 20, 2015

Since W10 RTM isn't out, the answer would be 'wait and see'...right now, only Technical Previews (various builds) are available for trial.

on May 20, 2015

OK , thanks Doc

on May 20, 2015

We are working with all our products to make them compatible with Win10.  However, nobody will know if we can or not until the RTM is out.  

on May 20, 2015

KarmaGirl

We are working with all our products to make them compatible with Win10. However, nobody will know if we can or not until the RTM is out.

Groovy shoes...

on May 20, 2015


Groovy shoes...

Ruffin' it. Perfect for tired dogs.

on May 20, 2015

DrJBHL


Quoting Jafo,

Groovy shoes...



Ruffin' it. Perfect for tired dogs.

Yawn with a stretch thrown in.

on May 21, 2015

I see nothing in that first article that applies to consumer editions of Windows, that's purely for businesses.  But frankly I'd be overjoyed if they forced critical updates on home users.  Running outdated versions of Windows (or any other OS, or even most software in general) "because I'm in control of my system" is just dumb.  It's being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn.  Every time somebody asks me to look at their computer because it's running slow it's infected with various crap and has dozens or even hundreds of updates waiting to install.  Our most difficult clients at work are the ones with the most outdated equipment.  

Driver updates are a different story and there's no mention of those in either article.

on May 22, 2015

XavierMace

"because I'm in control of my system" is just dumb.

Not really...in the case where you don't use MS Office (for example) and patches/etc. are being pushed in the download for it, why should you be forced to accept them? That makes no sense whatsoever.

on May 22, 2015

Microsoft's track record with patches/updates being less than reassuring (see dot.net), removing end-user control over application of updates has disaster written all over it.  Murphy works at Microsoft, after all.

 

on May 22, 2015

That and MS.NET Framework...

That one is truly infamous. They say they'll have testers in the public before the patches, etc. become available, but that doesn't mean much to me. The way I did the MS.Net Framework updates was I'd wait about 3 weeks and check the status of complaints about it...

With W10, you won't be able to do that.

on May 22, 2015

XavierMace

I see nothing in that first article that applies to consumer editions of Windows, that's purely for businesses.  But frankly I'd be overjoyed if they forced critical updates on home users.  Running outdated versions of Windows (or any other OS, or even most software in general) "because I'm in control of my system" is just dumb.  It's being stubborn for the sake of being stubborn.  Every time somebody asks me to look at their computer because it's running slow it's infected with various crap and has dozens or even hundreds of updates waiting to install.  Our most difficult clients at work are the ones with the most outdated equipment.  

Driver updates are a different story and there's no mention of those in either article.

Microsoft made two products....a flightsim called 'FSX' and a web browser called 'Internet Explorer'.

Those 'updates' to IE called 10 and 11 BOTH CRASHED FSX.

If Microsoft cannot be trusted not to break its own software with 'updates' then god help us with any actual third party software.

Automatic updates is a pox on computing.

on May 23, 2015

DrJBHL

Not really...in the case where you don't use MS Office (for example) and patches/etc. are being pushed in the download for it, why should you be forced to accept them? That makes no sense whatsoever.

I've never had Windows update install patches for Office when Office wasn't installed on the system.  But lets say it does.  So what?  It may be pointless to have it installed, but it's also not doing any harm.  If it's not doing anything insidious (dialing home, keylogging, etc) why does it really matter?  Any OS (Windows, Linux, OSX, etc) has oodles of stuff installed YOU may not need because it's easier to make one standardized product that covers a wider user base.  So, disabling ALL automatic updates purely because you may get some updates you don't NEED is just silly IMO.

Microsoft made two products....a flightsim called 'FSX' and a web browser called 'Internet Explorer'.


Those 'updates' to IE called 10 and 11 BOTH CRASHED FSX.

If Microsoft cannot be trusted not to break its own software with 'updates' then god help us with any actual third party software.

Automatic updates is a pox on computing.

I've been in IT for 15 years, I've seem more than my share of updates gone wrong.  But temporary inability to use an add-on application vs more holes than swiss cheese in security.  Sorry, latter gets the priority for me.  I'll uninstall an update if it's breaking a business critical application, but I'm not going to leave a system wide open just because some patch in the future MAY cause temporary issues.  Don't get me wrong, I'd prefer updates never break anything.  But I'm not going to walk around with a bullseye on me just because they might.  I've got almost a dozen Windows systems (servers and desktops) at the house that have been auto-updating for longer than I remember.  I don't recall the last time a critical update broke ANYTHING.

I'd also argue that if FSX is using ANYTHING tied to IE, that's a problem with the application.  If GalCiv3 stopped working after an IE update, I'd be asking what it's possibly doing that's using any part of IE.

Outdated systems are a pox on information security.  

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