Ramblings of an old Doc

 

To understand this, you have to understand that W10 will have multiple editions, each requiring a ‘service branch’ all of its own.

“There are going to be three Windows 10 servicing branches when the product launches: Current Branch (CB), Current Branch for Business (CBB) and Long Term Servicing Branch (LTSB). Different versions of Windows 10 will give users access to different servicing branches.” – Mary Jo Foley

You should read her article linked in her name (also below), because I’m not going to ‘scrape’ her article, nor use extensive quoting. Just know there’s another branch: the ‘Long term service branch’ (the Long Term Servicing Branch, unique to Enterprise devices, allows users to only install security updates and defer any new features).

What it boils down to is this: W10 Home will have to accept (‘Current Branch’) all new features, fixes and updates MS pushes through Windows Update. They will be tested by MS and a public crew of selected testers before they’re pushed. However there’ll be no deferring nor choosing. You don’t accept? It might very well mean voiding your warranty and not receiving further updates.

W10 Pro will have two ‘service branches’: The ‘Current Branch (CB)’ or ‘Current Branch for Business (CBB)’. If CB is chosen, same rules as W10 Home. ‘CBB’ will be able to choose updating through Windows Update, through Windows Update for Business or through Windows Server Update Services. The Windows update for Business will allow Admins more control over how and when they deliver the fixes, patches and new features, but for how long, it’s not clear. In other words, they’ll have a longer leash, but the leash will be there, have no doubt.

The inherent stratification of rights over your own computer and what will go on it is clear.

However, I’d really like to know why MS thinks it has the right to pull this? Oh yeah. The license/OEM agreements. You continue to be a commodity, and commodities have no say, not that we have much of any now.

Also, it’s not clear if you’ll be paying a monthly fee to maintain the privilege of being in this “agreement”. Agreement…lol….and if you don’t pay? You’d better have learned Linux, because I’m betting that if you don’t pay 3 months in a row, your OS will work only in the most basic way.

Also unclear is to what degree they’ll allow you to customize your OS (as to skinning the UI), and if folks know, they aren’t talking. I’m glad SD mitigated MS’s screw-ups, but as to W10, who knows?

All this stuff is “informed rumor” at this stage, but with all the smoke, there’s got to be fire somewhere.

This Windows 8 –> Windows 10 thing started as a disaster, and continues down the same track, if for different reasons. “Resistance is futile”.

Not really: Resistance is Linux…and it’s looking better and better to me.

 

Sources:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/piecing-together-the-windows-as-a-service-puzzle-for-windows-10/

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/15/windows-10-home-and-pro-automatic-updates-could-become-mandatory/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e1609%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e1o42


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on Jun 01, 2015

RavenX

Will my OEM from my store bought Win 7 Pro 64 still be good or will it be marked as dead and moved to Win 10, and will I have to buy a re-install disk?

It'll still be good.  Consumer protection rights will see to that.

As to how they manage a roll-out of 'free' 10 keys with which to register....who knows...but with whatever method I'd expect you'll 'own' the right to continue its use.

What we don't know is how [or rather when] the freebie gets paid for.  I'd expect it will be a commercialized pay for everything you might 'want' to add......and all of it from the MS 'store'.

Let's face it. An OS is [in theory] a one-off purchase.  There's no money in that [MS is 'only' really rich].  What is needed [by MS] is a way to have you always paying......forever and a day. [then they'll be really really rich]...

on Jun 01, 2015

I wondered why they're giving it away for "free". When I bought my copy of Win7 Pro 64 it was like $300. I looked up which one I'd get and according to the article since I have 7 Pro 64 then I should get 10 Pro 64. I just don't want it to "downgrade" anything I'm running especially since it was so expensive. I'd also rather not have to install the new OS, find out I've been downgraded in some say, then have to revert.

I figured they were giving away 10 because they want people off of 7 and 8. Didn't expect it to be "free" though. Thought I'd at least have to pay $100 for the 7 to 10 upgrade or something like that. I went from XP Pro 64 to 7 Pro 64 and there was no "upgrade" option so I had to buy a whole fresh install disk. With all the other bills I'm piling up right now when Win 10 comes out if this free version gimps me I can't afford to fix it.

on Jun 01, 2015

Paid $39 each for two Win8 licenses.  Haven't used either one.  As for Win10, free sounds too expensive to me.

on Jun 01, 2015

It will all come down to each individual making a choice as to if they will want to upgrade to Windows 10 and when they upgrade.  As has been mentioned in serveral threads here and other sites it would seem the smart or intelligent course of action if you intended to upgrade is wait a bit, 30 to 90 days, to let the bugs be identified and fixed. 

I didn't upgrade to 8/8.1 but like some other folks have voiced Windows 7 works fine for me so I wouldn't want to screw up my current computing experience by upgrading to Windows 10.

Change will always happen in our life, it's up to us as individuals to make those changes as non-distruptive as possible.  

on Jun 01, 2015

Philly0381

It will all come down to each individual making a choice as to if they will want to upgrade to Windows 10 and when they upgrade.  As has been mentioned in serveral threads here and other sites it would seem the smart or intelligent course of action if you intended to upgrade is wait a bit, 30 to 90 days, to let the bugs be identified and fixed. 

I didn't upgrade to 8/8.1 but like some other folks have voiced Windows 7 works fine for me so I wouldn't want to screw up my current computing experience by upgrading to Windows 10.

Change will always happen in our life, it's up to us as individuals to make those changes as non-distruptive as possible.  


Indeed. With me it's a money issue. I stayed with XP Pro 64 for so long that I couldn't just buy the "upgrade" from XP to Win 7 because there wasn't a "upgrade" version. After XP they stopped the upgrade versions from it and you had to have Vista or later to buy a "upgrade" copy. If I had been running Vista or after a "upgrade" would have only cost me a $100 bucks or so. Because XP was so old there was no upgrade and you had to buy a full install $300 and up when it launched.

I just can't afford to drop $300-$400-$500 on a OS or much anything for that matter. Usually upgrades in that price range have to wait for income tax returns before I can drop money like that all at once. If I can I'd like to avoid having to drop that kind of cash all at once on a new OS in the future. I hated Vista though so I'm glad I skipped over it.

on Jun 01, 2015

W10 will go subscription only, you won't be able to purchase it any other way. For your subscription you will get continuous updates, forever, and MS will have you by the short and curlies - no subscription = non functioning o/s.

on Jun 01, 2015

Fuzzy Logic

W10 will go subscription only, you won't be able to purchase it any other way. For your subscription you will get continuous updates, forever, and MS will have you by the short and curlies - no subscription = non functioning o/s.


I just read some stuff that says the "Free Upgrade" is only free for the first year. What does that mean? If I take the free upgrade from my paid Win 7 Pro 64 to Win 10 when it comes out does that mean that my Windows 10 will it stop working after a year and brick my PC?

Edit: Ahh never mind. It seems the "upgrade offer" is only good for a year, not the version of Win 10. Still, the more I'm reading about Win 10 the more I'm finding out about it that I don't think I'll like.

on Jun 01, 2015

RavenX

I just read some stuff that says the "Free Upgrade" is only free for the first year. What does that mean?

I believe that means once Windows 10 is released the update will only be available free to those that qualify for one year from initial Windows 10 release date.

If you qualified for the free update and waited beyond the 1 year from the original Windows 10 release date to get the update then you would have to purchase it.

Say Windows 10 is released July 1, 2015 and you qualify for the "free update" you would need to update before June 30, 2016 to get it for free. After that you would need to buy it.

Just IMO.

on Jun 01, 2015

From what I have read on different sites Hankers is correct.  You have 365 days to decided if you want Windows 10 for free, after that you pay for it. 

on Jun 01, 2015

Thanks guys, yeah that's the way it is. The wording on the site I read that on just threw me off. That and knowing Microsploodge the way I do I almost thought they'd deactivate everyone's Windows a year later and then demand money to turn it back on.

Looking at this Win 10 it looks like it's chalked full of backdoor corporate spyware. They're even attaching biometric identifiers to it...WTF. This is getting WAY too intrusive for my tastes. I already know most of the corporate tricks they use to track you and what you do and How to turn them off. This shiz is getting ridiculous though.

on Jun 02, 2015

Anyone conversant with computers disables 'auto update' just so the computer can be sure to be still on and functioning in the morning.

Ok, I can't even take you seriously any more.

on Jun 02, 2015


They [updates] break things with monotonous regularity. Anyone conversant with computers disables 'auto update' just so the computer can be sure to be still on and functioning in the morning. Leave it to MS [and others] entirely and I can absolutely guarantee that sooner or later you will be booting into safe mode to find out what they screwed with THIS TIME

Truer words have not been spoken.....

on Jun 02, 2015

Fuzzy Logic

W10 will go subscription only, you won't be able to purchase it any other way. For your subscription you will get continuous updates, forever, and MS will have you by the short and curlies - no subscription = non functioning o/s.

 

nonsense. it's ~$120 for win 10 home at retail. it looks like buy once and it'll be updated for that machine until they do something else different with their model i guess (definition of machine/device is unknown... no word on reinstall, etc). i don't think they'll be pushing sub model for home user any time soon (home/pro)

 

http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-goes-public-with-retail-pricing-for-windows-10-home-pro/

on Jun 02, 2015

I keep getting popups asking me to register for my free update to W10. I have W7 at the moment.

They even appear on the Windows update in control panel.

I ran a program compatibility check with the Microsoft app and it tells me that I will have to uninstall Deskscapes and Logon studio.

I am using Deskscapes 3.5 and logon studio 1.7.

Any advice appreciated

Cheers

Macca

on Jun 02, 2015

Aussie007 -

Take a look at this post/thread for what you need to do to get rid of the nags.

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