Ramblings of an old Doc

 

To understand this, you have to understand that W10 will have multiple editions, each requiring a ‘service branch’ all of its own.

“There are going to be three Windows 10 servicing branches when the product launches: Current Branch (CB), Current Branch for Business (CBB) and Long Term Servicing Branch (LTSB). Different versions of Windows 10 will give users access to different servicing branches.” – Mary Jo Foley

You should read her article linked in her name (also below), because I’m not going to ‘scrape’ her article, nor use extensive quoting. Just know there’s another branch: the ‘Long term service branch’ (the Long Term Servicing Branch, unique to Enterprise devices, allows users to only install security updates and defer any new features).

What it boils down to is this: W10 Home will have to accept (‘Current Branch’) all new features, fixes and updates MS pushes through Windows Update. They will be tested by MS and a public crew of selected testers before they’re pushed. However there’ll be no deferring nor choosing. You don’t accept? It might very well mean voiding your warranty and not receiving further updates.

W10 Pro will have two ‘service branches’: The ‘Current Branch (CB)’ or ‘Current Branch for Business (CBB)’. If CB is chosen, same rules as W10 Home. ‘CBB’ will be able to choose updating through Windows Update, through Windows Update for Business or through Windows Server Update Services. The Windows update for Business will allow Admins more control over how and when they deliver the fixes, patches and new features, but for how long, it’s not clear. In other words, they’ll have a longer leash, but the leash will be there, have no doubt.

The inherent stratification of rights over your own computer and what will go on it is clear.

However, I’d really like to know why MS thinks it has the right to pull this? Oh yeah. The license/OEM agreements. You continue to be a commodity, and commodities have no say, not that we have much of any now.

Also, it’s not clear if you’ll be paying a monthly fee to maintain the privilege of being in this “agreement”. Agreement…lol….and if you don’t pay? You’d better have learned Linux, because I’m betting that if you don’t pay 3 months in a row, your OS will work only in the most basic way.

Also unclear is to what degree they’ll allow you to customize your OS (as to skinning the UI), and if folks know, they aren’t talking. I’m glad SD mitigated MS’s screw-ups, but as to W10, who knows?

All this stuff is “informed rumor” at this stage, but with all the smoke, there’s got to be fire somewhere.

This Windows 8 –> Windows 10 thing started as a disaster, and continues down the same track, if for different reasons. “Resistance is futile”.

Not really: Resistance is Linux…and it’s looking better and better to me.

 

Sources:

http://www.zdnet.com/article/piecing-together-the-windows-as-a-service-puzzle-for-windows-10/

http://www.ghacks.net/2015/05/15/windows-10-home-and-pro-automatic-updates-could-become-mandatory/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e1609%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e1o42


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on Jun 02, 2015

RavenX

So I just woke up this morning to my Windows offering me a "Free Upgrade" from Win 7 64 Pro to Windows 10. This seems fishy to me? Is this something I should do or not?

RavenX! Yo!

Good to see you! Hope you're feeling better.

on Jun 02, 2015


Aussie007 -

Take a look at this post/thread for what you need to do to get rid of the nags.

Thanks for that

My main concern is if I install windows 10 will I lose Deskscapes and Logon studio

Macca

on Jun 02, 2015

Fuzzy Logic

W10 will go subscription only, you won't be able to purchase it any other way. For your subscription you will get continuous updates, forever, and MS will have you by the short and curlies - no subscription = non functioning o/s.

 

on Jun 03, 2015

I don't think W10 will go to an annual fee model- that would generate a revolt/mass piracy.

I do think MS is going to use W10 to market other Microsoft product.

 

The automatic updates- as long as you can set the machine up to not reboot until you wish it, that's ok as well.   That's the real problem with Windows Update- the nagging to reboot can kill work that needs to be done.

 

I suspect Stardock's W10 wishlist from customers is going to be disabling the nagging, and allowing for non-instant reboots/controlling when you reboot in terms of updates.

on Jun 03, 2015

at least that's one thing sort of answered....

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9334/microsoft-confirms-you-can-clean-install-windows-10-after-upgrading

 

 http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/06/yes-youll-be-able-to-do-clean-installs-of-the-free-windows-10-upgrade/

on Jun 04, 2015



Quoting RavenX,

So I just woke up this morning to my Windows offering me a "Free Upgrade" from Win 7 64 Pro to Windows 10. This seems fishy to me? Is this something I should do or not?



No...it's not 'fishy'...it's a genuine MS adware .... go for it if you want to [though it isn't available yet anyway].

The issue is whether it denotes the beginning of the end for 'normal' OS purchase and use....

 

I run win 7 x64bit, and the upgrade to win10 icon just showed up in my tray (without my consent?).  I'm not going to upgrade to a 'pig in the polk' (unknowns).  I would love for the PC/IT Stardockian Nerds to set up a thread that helps us non-tecky types navigate all this without the intense shoptalk-lingo.  Also, from what i (think I) have read, the only real safety from a win 10 run amok would be linux.  How viable is linux for PC gaming?

on Jun 04, 2015

The icon came in a Trojan horse labeled as an Important Windows Update.  See various links in this and other threads on how to deal with it, should you wish.

EDIT: This thread, actually.

on Jun 04, 2015

I think the most annoying part of all this (at least for me that is) is that the stupid icon keeps reappearing after each reboot when I've told windows to hide it and its' notifications... have to do that each and every time after I boot up. I think it's time to follow the suggestions to remove the crap as that is totally uncalled for. I even "reserved a copy" to see if that would change it and it doesn't.

on Jun 04, 2015

Avantar137 -  Have not seen that behavior on the two Win7 systems I've removed & hidden those updates.  The tray icon has not reappeared.  Are you on Win8/8.1 by chance?

One odd thing here - I have 3 Win7 Pro systems.  The updates were found using powershell on 2 of them, not on the third (which had not had the icon show up in the SysTray yet as it happens).  On the system without the three Win7 updates installed, I found them in Windows Update but in the Optional Updates list.  On the other two, they were classified as Important, which was the reason I allowed them to be installed in the first place.  Why on one rig they got classified as Optional is strange.

on Jun 04, 2015

ElanaAhova
I run win 7 x64bit, and the upgrade to win10 icon just showed up in my tray (without my consent?).  I'm not going to upgrade to a 'pig in the polk' (unknowns).  I would love for the PC/IT Stardockian Nerds to set up a thread that helps us non-tecky types navigate all this without the intense shoptalk-lingo.  Also, from what i (think I) have read, the only real safety from a win 10 run amok would be linux.  How viable is linux for PC gaming?


I don't use Linux so I'm honestly not sure. I haven't heard anything good about Linux when it comes to gaming though, only bad. I.E. "Will this run on Linux?" which I see asked almost as often as "Will this run on Mac?". I'm sure we've got some Linux users poking around here somewhere I think.

Avatar137

I think the most annoying part of all this (at least for me that is) is that the stupid icon keeps reappearing after each reboot when I've told windows to hide it and its' notifications... have to do that each and every time after I boot up. I think it's time to follow the suggestions to remove the crap as that is totally uncalled for. I even "reserved a copy" to see if that would change it and it doesn't.


Indeed it's annoying. You can tell it to hide the icon and all it does is minimize it to the "hidden icons", but it won't go away completely unless you uninstall the update number mentioned in the other thread. I thought about uninstalling that update just to get rid of the icon permanently but I don't know if that will mess with my "reservation" or not so I've just left it down there. Put it to "hide icons and notifications" and it will at least put it away so you don't constantly have to look at it unless you click on your "show hidden icons" arrow.

on Jun 05, 2015

ElanaAhova
How viable is linux for PC gaming?

It's not.

on Jun 05, 2015

I can confirm MS is trying to sneak KB2952664 back in as an important update for Win7, even though I hid it once already.  Showed up in Windows Update on both Win7 rigs today.  Hid it again, of course.

on Jul 10, 2015

MS again offered up KB3035583 (the Win10 tray notification icon) today, even though it had been previously hidden.  They're nothing if not persistent.

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