Ramblings of an old Doc
Published on February 23, 2011 By DrJBHL In Personal Computing

 

It turns out that the company sporting the motto "don't be evil" has been asking parents nationwide to disclose their children's personal information, including Social Security Numbers, and recruiting schools to help them do it, all by entering an art contest.

The Contest is called "Doodle-4-Google".  The company is even offering prize money to schools to enlist their help. Google even “OK’s” and “partners with” the following after school activities per their FAQ (I wonder how much who paid whom?):

“The Contest is also open to students who participate in one of the following “After School
Programs” and are also enrolled in a U.S. School as defined above: (i) Boys & Girls Clubs of America; or (ii) Girl Scouts of the USA.” They avoided the Boy Scouts, though.

It sound like fun?  Don't you want your kid to enter too?

OK! Who’s Eligible?

“4. Eligibility. The Contest is open to students enrolled in private or public elementary and secondary schools (grades K–
12) as well as home schools (grades K-12) in the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, excluding U.S. territories
(collectively, “U.S. School(s)”). The Contest is also open to students who participate in one of the following “After School
Programs” and are also enrolled in a U.S. School as defined above: (i) Boys & Girls Clubs of America; or (ii) Girl Scouts of
the USA. Registration opens January 19, 2011. Registration ends March 2, 2011 at 11:59:59 P.M. Pacific Time (PT).
Only one doodle per Entrant is allowed. In the case of duplicate or multiple entries from the same Entrant, then the first
entry to arrive at the designated submission address (as determined by the “received by” date) will be accepted as the entry
into the Contest. Internet access is required to register for the Contest. At the time of submission of a Doodle, each Entrant
must: (i) be a U.S. citizen or a permanent U.S. legal resident (e.g., must be able to show proof of legal permanent
residence, for example, a “green card”); (ii) be enrolled in a U.S. School (defined above); (iii) have obtained his or her
parents’ or legal guardians’ prior permission and have agreed to be bound by these Rules on the Parent Consent Form.”

The reason Google gives for doing this competition in their FAQ says it's because "We love to encourage and celebrate the creativity of young people..." etc. isn’t that nice?

W a i t   a  minute:

A huge database of names and addresses of American children, especially one that includes their dates of birth and SSNs, would be worth many millions to marketing firms and retailers, wouldn’t it?

You see, what Google knows (and many parents don't know) is that a person's city of birth and year of birth can be used to make a statistical guess about the first five digits of his/her social security number. 

“Part of the security problem lies with the method used to assign SSNs. The researchers note that only four digits of the nine digit SSN are random. The first three digits are called the Area Number (AN) and the next two are the Group Number (GN). ANs are allocated to specific states and GNs to specific birth years. Given the date of birth and place of birth, researchers need only guess at the final four digits.” - Alessandro Acquisti and Ralph Gross
Carnegie Mellon University.

So…. with the form you see above, you’ve just given Google your child’s Social Security Number. They don’t even have to guess. And you were worried about computer security?

So: If you can obtain those last four SSN digits explicitly, you've unlocked countless troves of personal information from someone who didn't even understand that such a disclosure was happening. This kind of data can be linked with other databases to target advertising, but Google wouldn’t do that, surely?  Faster than a long tailed tom cat in a room full of rockers, I say.

It's worth many times more than what Google will spend on prizes (each State Finalist gets a T-shirt! The winner gets a Wacom tablet! Wow!). Maybe the TShirt should look like this?

To be strictly fair, Google hasn’t disclosed any such plan, nor has evidence surfaced exposing one. The entry form is one half page followed by five pages of legal mumbo-jumbo in (you guessed it) small print.

Google could have plans to just throw the data away, right? Maybe “the last 4” was inadvertently added to the competition form? There are all sorts of innocent and inconceivable explanations for this, aren’t there? So why (from their FAQ) is “Doodle 4 Google is still designed to work with schools across the nation (public, private and home schools).” Why not schools outside the USA? Maybe because those kids have no “last four”?

So, one question keeps haunting me: “Why the hell does Google need the “last four”?”

Additional links:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3828716/Social-Security-Numbers-Easy-to-Hack.htm

http://www.google.com/doodle4google/faqs.html


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on Feb 25, 2011

Well, I've uninstalled Google Chrome, so at least that's something.

I uninstalled Google Chrome last night. Not because of this, but it just didn't impress me. I had it as the main browser on my W7 PC for six months. It didn't play freindly with DA or the forums here and some sites I really like took forever to load.  Trying to decide if I want to put FF on that PC or try Opera. I really wanted to keep that PC FF free just for the hell of it.

on Feb 25, 2011

I don't think anything illegal took place even if it might not fall under the "don't be evil" mantra. Google asked for data (that it would use in some unknown way) . . people either gave out the data or didn't.

That's the issue though...you don't know, do you? If someone doesn't stop and ask them now, then when? What info do they need to ask for and from whom and at what time before someone says 'Hold the phone! What the hell do you need THAT for and what are you going to do with it?" 

I honestly think it doesn't matter. By the time any one really figures it all out, it will be to late. But I don't think we need to just lay there and take it in the mean time.

I laugh when someone asks for my DOB anymore if I am buying smokes or beer. Then, a couple months ago, I was asked my DOB while buying smokes. I gave it to them. Then I was asked to scan my Drivers License through the same machine I slide my debit card BEFORE I ran my debit card through it.  I asked 'Why?" and the response was "Why not?" like I had something to hide.  Guess who got a big fat fucking earfull?  I said ' Do I get my smokes if I don't? Where does that info go, alll the info on my license? WHO gets that? Who's paying for it? Why do you need it? Is your system secure? Who has access to it? WHO the FUCK (yeah, I dropped the f-bomb. You forget I dropped it on a sixteen year old at the Dairy Queen who said they had no chocolate ice cream but he would put some chocolate syrup on some vanilla ice cream for me. I think the exact word I used was 'fucktard' with 'pimple-faced' either right before or right after it)  needs to know if I am an organ donor or wear corrective lenses or what fucking blood type I am in order for me to buy a pack of cancer sticks? Who the hell needs to know what I am buying?"  The longer they stood there not answering, the longer I went on. I got my smokes and left with OUT scanning my license.

Two weeks later I was back in there. As the guy rang up my smokes he asked if I had a drivers license. I said 'Yes'. He then opened his mouth and before anything came out I said 'Not no, but hell no." He looked at me, startled, rang my shit up and I left. Have not gone back since.

on Feb 25, 2011

The sad truth is that everyone is a bit 'right'. They only do what they were told to do by people harvesting data and correlating it, indexing, cross linking and massaging it to sell to someone else in this cannibalistic, mercantile society so that person can sell you what you think you 'need' more efficiently.

How? By someone targeting the cellphone everyone carries (and wastes money on because -and this is the truth- it makes them look important) and now reports on where you are so you can get the right commercial message at the right time, because you were too lazy to assess your life, desires, real requirements and what is a useless doodad. Your cell phone will do everything but give you a quality voice connection.

I never cease to be amazed at the people who despite 2 signs, and a medical assistant telling them, "Cell phone off in the exam room" can't do it. I'm listening to them, asking questions, examining and their phone goes off. They apologize when I ask, "Wasn't three times enough?". They are more addicted to that bauble than any med I could give them and more faithful to it than any dosage schedule. They'll forget their insulin, heart and blood pressure pill with a giggle, but their phone? What, are you crazy? What is the Martians land and torture cattle and make crop circles? How will I make a video without that?!

Really. Are you expecting the President to be calling to beg you to come to the White House for dinner and a chat that evening? Is Bill Gates or Steve Jobs going to call to ask what you think of Windows 7?

Or is it (more likely) a pointless, endless call about nothing at all, or "Where did I leave my keys?", and ego?

Ah well. Sorry... just the ramblings of an old doc.

on Feb 25, 2011

DrJBHL

I never cease to be amazed at the people who despite 2 signs, and a medical assistant telling them, "Cell phone off in the exam room" can't do it.

Ramblings of an old doc...pfffft.  Since you brought the subject up, I want to know if there is an actual medical reason for there to be "cell phone off in the exam room."  For the longest time I was led to believe that cell phones interfered with EKG machines and stuff like that, which is why there are signs in every medical office/hospital to turn them off.  But obviously that is not the case, since DOCTORS are using them, too, to dictate with and (most annoying to me who is paid on production) just sitting there, while they're dictating, so that in the middle of the dictation, they get a call, carry on a conversation with the wife about what do so with the laundry or whatever, and then 20 minutes later forget where they're at in the report, and start dictating where they THINK the left off, which rarely is correct.  (This yanks my chain, but it also spells "job security" for me, since the doctors prone to doing this fail voice recognition -- the VR engine picks all that stuff up and somebody has to edit out the grocery list). 

The reception on the darn things sucks for dictation equipment (I'm reminded of the Michael Keaton character in Multiplicity, who was a copy of a copy and just how well THAT guy functioned).  I will never forget the Echo report I had to transcribe while the cardiologist ordered apple pie and 2 waters at the drive-thru at McDonalds. 

on Feb 25, 2011

I want to know if there is an actual medical reason for there to be "cell phone off in the exam room.

This isn't directed at you, but I have seen people in the doc's office actually get annoyed when asked to hang it up and turn it off.

Why does there have to a medical reason?

Courtesy, dammit.

WTF happened to respecting the people around you or the professionals whose valuable time you are taking for something you considered important enough to make the appointment with, take off from work for, etc., etc.? I think they should send their asses home, WITHOUT the note for work, and tell them to come back when they're serious and there won't be an opening until after the end of the month.  They should be allowed to set up cell phone blockers in their offices or exam rooms. Besides, I don't need to hear you argue with your spouse about why you forgot to pay the freakin water bill and what you did with the sixty bucks set aside for it or yell at your kid cause he drank all your Grey Goose...again!

on Feb 25, 2011

Courtesy, dammit.

I love this guy.

I want to know if there is an actual medical reason for there to be "cell phone off in the exam room."

Does the reason have to be medical?

OK: The next one is gonna need an ambulance.   jk, Karen. The reason (in the office) is indeed courtesy (and the exam room walls tend to be thin).

In ICU's though, the reason is that there is a possibility of interference with monitors. Might not be important, but I wouldn't want the monitor to report my heart being in Moscow, even if it's "From Russia With Love."

on Feb 25, 2011

PoSmedley

Why does there have to a medical reason?

Courtesy, dammit.

Yes, Courtesy, dammit!

I only ask about the medical reason, as it doesn't seem like the courtesy extends both ways.  If I'm being asked to turn off my cell, I would expect the doctor should turn off his/her cell, too.  YES, I think the appointment is important enough to make an appointment and take time off from work to show up, but when I'm forced to wait longer than half an hour past the appointed time, I should be allowed to use my cell to carry out the business I WOULD have carried out if the appointment had begun promptly at the scheduled time.

I'm speaking of this all for the sake of argument.  I own a cell phone, but not a land line, and all my friends are cyber buddies--the average length of time I spend on a call is under 90 seconds.  When I was growing up and learning to use a phone, we had a party line, so my phone habits are still set to keeping things brief, to the point, and I'm always relieved to hang up.

Honestly, I think the reason there is a lack of courtesy is because everything in our lives is driven by "the market."  Patients don't have the sort of respect that they had for doctors back when I was a kid because they don't consider themselves patients -- they consider themselves customers. 

on Feb 25, 2011

If I'm being asked to turn off my cell, I would expect the doctor should turn off his/her cell, too.

The doctor might actually be needed by a CCU or ICU for a life or death question, Karen. Also, my phone has ePocrates on it and it is useful for catching possible drug interactions, etc.

Patients don't have the sort of respect that they had for doctors back when I was a kid because they don't consider themselves patients -- they consider themselves customers.

I don't know if they consider themselves customers. I think they're being taught that, though. It seems to be pervasive in society, also. If you're not 'catered to',  you're not 'entitled' and vice versa. It's easy to see that people are being manipulated by flattery and stroking of their egos. That is not a healthy situation.

on Feb 25, 2011

they consider themselves customers.

THAT's the mistake. They aren't customers. They are there to be diagnosed, treated, healed, whatever, NOT to purchase a pack of gum or a marital aid. And even then, I would say 'If you didn't spend all your freaking time talking to that bitch you met at Applebee's last week, you wouldn't be in here looking at the Doc Johnson Annihilator to begin with and thinking this would spice up the old marital bed. So get the fuck out and come back when you're going to pay attention while I explain why you DON'T want the one with the phosphorescent balls!"

These are the same people that go home or back to work and bitch because the doctor 'didn't listen to me' or 'he didn't give me the right medicine'. That's because they had their heads so far up their own asses they didn't take the time they were paying for to give the doctor the same attention they expect when they walk in the damn door.

on Feb 25, 2011

PoSmedley

they consider themselves customers.
THAT's the mistake. They aren't customers. They are there to be diagnosed, treated, healed, whatever, NOT to purchase a pack of gum or a marital aid. And even then, I would say 'If you didn't spend all your freaking time talking to that bitch you met at Applebee's last week, you wouldn't be in here looking at the Doc Johnson Annihilator to begin with and thinking this would spice up the old marital bed. So get the fuck out and come back when you're going to pay attention while I explain why you DON'T want the one with the phosphorescent balls!"

What else would you call someone who pays for a good or service. They are customers. If you want people acting like your doing them a great favor and not paying you for a service then don't charge them. For that matter how about getting charged for an appointment you didn't make. When the doctor is late or doesn't show for my appointment he sure as hell aint paying me.

Common courtesy.. ill agree to that.. but the whole.. they shouldn't act like customers is hogwash. Doctors are not some elevated social class that should be revered any more than the guy flipping burgers at burgerking. Both provide a needed service to customers who are willing to pay for them.

But bleh disregard my diatribe. Touchy subject for me.

on Feb 25, 2011

DrJBHL

The doctor might actually be needed by a CCU or ICU for a life or death question, Karen.


So what you're saying is that YOUR business is more important than anything that I might be needed on the phone for.  I might have loved ones who are borderline suicidal who need me to comfort them to prevent them from doing something stupid.  That's a life or death question, too.  (Hypothetically speaking -- we're done with the suicidality in my house right now--I'm just tossing this out there as an example of how a patient's business on the phone might be every bit as life saving as a doctors).

Also, if the doctor is dictating with his cell, he's not available for the CCU or ICU question.  But my time obviously isn't as important as ordering an apple pie at McDonalds? 

Courtesy is a 2-way street.  Everybody has their reasons for why they want things their way.  Without going into a huge controversial rant, sometimes "being the change you want to see in others" just gets you easily used by "the others" who see your change as an opportunity to get their way easily.

on Feb 25, 2011

So what you're saying is that YOUR business is more important than anything that I might be needed on the phone for. I might have loved ones who are borderline suicidal who need me to comfort them to prevent them from doing something stupid. That's a life or death question, too.

And this is why my step-son cannot fathom or understand a world without cell phones, remotes, or cable TV. He thinks I am either making it up or we all lived in caves.

hypothetically - If you have 'loved ONESSSSSSS' who are borderline suicidal, what the hell are you doing at the doctors? I assume getting the disease treated that has infected multiple members of your inner circle and has them all staring down a bottle of pills, in which case, PAY ATTENTION to the doc, get treated, then deal with them.

When did it happen that we cannot survive...that no one can survive if they can't reach you ASAP?!?!?!?! And if that is truly the case, then why are there so many damn apps for phones to block calls, respond with a voice message, etc. We want it ALL and we want it NOW but ONLY if it's convenient for ME.

on Feb 25, 2011

What else would you call someone who pays for a good or service. They are customers ...

If I was in 'the industry' and took medical ethics seriously, I'd consider anyone seeking treatment from a credentialed professional to be a patient. Sufficiently privileged patients should be free to seek boutique treatment from profit-oriented providers, but normal folks should just be patients, doctors, nurses, and techs. Trying to put profit at the foundation of a medical system is a Hippocratic perversion.

on Feb 25, 2011

So what you're saying is that YOUR business is more important than anything that I might be needed on the phone for.

I didn't say that. I did however allude to immediacy of an actual problem, not a theoretical one. My phone has rung when in an exam room. If it was an ICU/CCU, the patient would hear from me, "Excuse me, this is an emergency." If not, the phone would go to voicemail.

As for the patient's phone business? Take care of it before coming in. in the TOU is "phones off in exam room". If you have problems like that going on, tell the nurse and leave your phone with her. Really. Let's not go to extremes in order to 'win', ok?

Doctors are not some elevated social class that should be revered any more than the guy flipping burgers at burgerking. Both provide a needed service to customers who are willing to pay for them.

I'd agree... just depends which buns need treatment.

Not quite. Both deserve courtesy. They deal with matters of slightly different severity, no? Do I think the man or woman who works day and night to prevent severe damage, fix it and delay death deserves the same amount of respect as the other? I'd have to say no, respectfully. That's only because while I'd be equally courteous, the amount of respect implied is a different matter (for me, not forcing that on you).

Trying to put profit at the foundation of a medical system is a Hippocratic perversion.

But it's OK everywhere else, right?

on Feb 25, 2011

Doctors are not some elevated social class that should be revered any more than the guy flipping burgers at burgerking.

Effing A-1 ++ correct!

(Doc, nothing against you here at all. You seem the exception to this rule from what I've seen.)

I've seen WAY too many Dr's act like they deserve to have you fall down at their feet to kiss their scum ridden toes. They are MUCH more concerned with quantity of patients than quality of care. Granted, alot of that is due to administration forcing the almighty importance of the $$, but it does not excuse it.

I could go on for days on this one...

 

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