Ramblings of an old Doc
Published on February 23, 2011 By DrJBHL In Personal Computing

 

It turns out that the company sporting the motto "don't be evil" has been asking parents nationwide to disclose their children's personal information, including Social Security Numbers, and recruiting schools to help them do it, all by entering an art contest.

The Contest is called "Doodle-4-Google".  The company is even offering prize money to schools to enlist their help. Google even “OK’s” and “partners with” the following after school activities per their FAQ (I wonder how much who paid whom?):

“The Contest is also open to students who participate in one of the following “After School
Programs” and are also enrolled in a U.S. School as defined above: (i) Boys & Girls Clubs of America; or (ii) Girl Scouts of the USA.” They avoided the Boy Scouts, though.

It sound like fun?  Don't you want your kid to enter too?

OK! Who’s Eligible?

“4. Eligibility. The Contest is open to students enrolled in private or public elementary and secondary schools (grades K–
12) as well as home schools (grades K-12) in the 50 United States and the District of Columbia, excluding U.S. territories
(collectively, “U.S. School(s)”). The Contest is also open to students who participate in one of the following “After School
Programs” and are also enrolled in a U.S. School as defined above: (i) Boys & Girls Clubs of America; or (ii) Girl Scouts of
the USA. Registration opens January 19, 2011. Registration ends March 2, 2011 at 11:59:59 P.M. Pacific Time (PT).
Only one doodle per Entrant is allowed. In the case of duplicate or multiple entries from the same Entrant, then the first
entry to arrive at the designated submission address (as determined by the “received by” date) will be accepted as the entry
into the Contest. Internet access is required to register for the Contest. At the time of submission of a Doodle, each Entrant
must: (i) be a U.S. citizen or a permanent U.S. legal resident (e.g., must be able to show proof of legal permanent
residence, for example, a “green card”); (ii) be enrolled in a U.S. School (defined above); (iii) have obtained his or her
parents’ or legal guardians’ prior permission and have agreed to be bound by these Rules on the Parent Consent Form.”

The reason Google gives for doing this competition in their FAQ says it's because "We love to encourage and celebrate the creativity of young people..." etc. isn’t that nice?

W a i t   a  minute:

A huge database of names and addresses of American children, especially one that includes their dates of birth and SSNs, would be worth many millions to marketing firms and retailers, wouldn’t it?

You see, what Google knows (and many parents don't know) is that a person's city of birth and year of birth can be used to make a statistical guess about the first five digits of his/her social security number. 

“Part of the security problem lies with the method used to assign SSNs. The researchers note that only four digits of the nine digit SSN are random. The first three digits are called the Area Number (AN) and the next two are the Group Number (GN). ANs are allocated to specific states and GNs to specific birth years. Given the date of birth and place of birth, researchers need only guess at the final four digits.” - Alessandro Acquisti and Ralph Gross
Carnegie Mellon University.

So…. with the form you see above, you’ve just given Google your child’s Social Security Number. They don’t even have to guess. And you were worried about computer security?

So: If you can obtain those last four SSN digits explicitly, you've unlocked countless troves of personal information from someone who didn't even understand that such a disclosure was happening. This kind of data can be linked with other databases to target advertising, but Google wouldn’t do that, surely?  Faster than a long tailed tom cat in a room full of rockers, I say.

It's worth many times more than what Google will spend on prizes (each State Finalist gets a T-shirt! The winner gets a Wacom tablet! Wow!). Maybe the TShirt should look like this?

To be strictly fair, Google hasn’t disclosed any such plan, nor has evidence surfaced exposing one. The entry form is one half page followed by five pages of legal mumbo-jumbo in (you guessed it) small print.

Google could have plans to just throw the data away, right? Maybe “the last 4” was inadvertently added to the competition form? There are all sorts of innocent and inconceivable explanations for this, aren’t there? So why (from their FAQ) is “Doodle 4 Google is still designed to work with schools across the nation (public, private and home schools).” Why not schools outside the USA? Maybe because those kids have no “last four”?

So, one question keeps haunting me: “Why the hell does Google need the “last four”?”

Additional links:

http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/secu/article.php/3828716/Social-Security-Numbers-Easy-to-Hack.htm

http://www.google.com/doodle4google/faqs.html


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on Feb 24, 2011

Found this page very interesting.

http://www.google-watch.org/bigbro.html

Google is the 

on Feb 24, 2011

PoSmedley
As to what they will do with it in the near or distant future.... they will run your life. They will tell you what clothes to buy, wear, and when to wear them. What coffe to buy, how to brew it....what episode of Iron Chef you don't need to see....that it's time for your annual prostate exam....that your girlfreind was at 'that' guys house until 3AM but the girl in the cube at work next to you just got dumped by her fiance....

And you can't stop it without disconnecting yourself from the internet. 

THis will be done for one purpose and one purpose only...to make a profit.  The government will allow it because they can't afford to do it themselves and no one would stand for another J.Edgar Hoover. It's much easier and cheaper to let someone else do it and then take control of it when needed.


I hate to admit this, and I know with all the data mining that's going on, this could put me at risk, but sometimes I almost "get" Ted Kaczynski...I don't agree with his methods, but I understand what drove him there and in a certain way, it was visionary.

on Feb 24, 2011

Google is as Google does.  Unfortunately, in the past, a persons SSN defined them.  You had to have it/give it for almost everything.  Being former military, an SSN was you.  It was used for everything.  Before I joined, I didn't even know what mine was.  And when I got to MEPS, one of the personnel asked me what it was and I had to pull it out of my wallet.  He said "You'd better work on memorizing that, you're going to need it alot."  I did.  And whenever I was asked for it, I just rattled it off.  Never really thinking about it much.  Now look where we are. 

These days, I'm a bit more cautious about it, and will ask what it's needed for whenever I'm asked to reveal it.  Some people will say "It is just required."  And I ask them why.  For most everyone, it's out there and you can't do anything about it.  But you can be more cautious about it now.  Would I give up my or my kids info for a stupid Google contest?  No.  Once I read the form, I'd chuck it.  No sense putting their info out there any sooner than it needs to be.  In the end, a little common sense goes a long way. 

on Feb 24, 2011

Interestingly, the current on-line form doesn't have the same requirements and the original form was updated to remove those data points soon after release..

http://services.google.com/doodle4google/register?form=parent

http://www.bowdonmedia.com/doc/Doodle4Google_ConsentRules_2011edited.pdf

 

on Feb 24, 2011

Maybe no one was enlisting their children. I sure wouldn't have. That's gov. military carzy!   To enlist my child in a web contest where he would have to give his social insurance out, when I am his social insurance.  Not gonna happen.  And I am glad you found that new form Zubaz.

(I never got my SSI till I got a job. ?)

 

on Feb 24, 2011

Maybe no one was enlisting their children. I sure wouldn't have. That's gov. military carzy! To enlist my child in a web contest where he would have to give his social insurance out, when I am his social insurance. Not gonna happen.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/05/14/fyi/main2798401.shtml

And that's before they turn adult.

I wonder why they changed the form? Also, what was done with the data from before the change?

on Feb 24, 2011

I wonder why they changed the form?
   Me to?

 

on Feb 24, 2011

I wonder why they changed the form?

Doesn't matter, the intent is still there... to data mine adolescents and toddlers whose information just should NOT be out there.

Also, what was done with the data from before the change?

The same as all the data from after the change... it's just that now Google has ingeniously devised a way to acquire what it wants with a change of terms/definitions... it's all semantics.

For me, anyone who trusts Google, and that includes its advertising clients, has to have rocks in their head. Google is intent on being the most powerful corporation/entity on the planet... and when it is [has surpassed even the US Gov't} it will be time to pay the piper.   All the data will be their and everyone... and that means EVERYONE will be made to pay, especially corporations with a few skeletons hidden under the boardroom floorboards.

Data mining to provide Mr Average or Mr. Above-Average an efficient search engine?  Bullshit!!!  There was always a much bigger picture... a very much bigger picture, and anyone who believes otherwise/trusts Google has an almighty shock coming to them in the not so far distant future.

And if I disappear any time soon you'll know I'm on the money.... cos they need to keep people like me quiet.

Me?  I never said a word

on Feb 24, 2011

http://scroogle.org/ home page

http://scroogle.org/scrapen8.html English searches

"no cookies   |   no search-term records   |   access log deleted within 48 hours"

The results are bare-bones, but the basics like the site: delimiter work.

on Feb 24, 2011

^ Excellent!

on Feb 24, 2011

 

The results are bare-bones, but the basics like the site: delimiter work.

For real?  I love that.

on Feb 24, 2011

starkers
I'm not going to go on one of my usual Google rants here!

Instead I'm just going to say this....

While some people may think that Google is not evil, I do.  

As Phil Esterhaus was want to say - Let's be careful out there!

Google is not evil.  The use of Google can be evil if the ones running the company want to take it in that direction.  A simple tool, such as a hammer, can be used to build a house for a homeless person. Or as a deadly weapon in the hands of a murderer.  The tool is not evil.  The wielder either is or is not.

The wielder of google may very well be evil.  They have not shown any remorse at their egregious transgressions or any indications of not abusing their power. 

on Feb 24, 2011

Google is not evil.

Okay, then, Google is a tool being used for evil by its creators and administrators.  Of that I have no doubt!

Better?

on Feb 24, 2011

starkers

Google is not evil.

Okay, then, Google is a tool being used for evil by its creators and administrators.  Of that I have no doubt!

Better?

Indeed!  On that I will agree.  A man after my own cynicism!

on Feb 25, 2011

The way to define Google [creators and administrators] is to put yourself in the shoes of a businessman who seeks to grow and profit at every turn...

Now Google is in the business of data mining and selling its findings to advertisers, corporations and pretty much anyone willing to pay, right?

That, however, is not in question, but the nature of the data mined and stored should be questioned.

How much of that data is personal or sensitive or both? 

How much of that data has a commercial value to persons or entities who should not possess it

How much of that data will be sold at a price, and to whom?

The $64,000 question is, however, would Google sell personal, private, sensitive information?

You bet yer sweet bibby they would!

Remember, Google is an organisation which exists purely for profit and growth... and the sale of that data represents both.

And is Google worried about being sued for distributing said data?

Of course not!   Google has enough cash, resources and legal eagles to bury even the biggest corporation in legal bullshit for decades.

So the bottom line is, Google and its creators/administrators can an will do pretty much as they please with near immunity.

Even the US Government would have difficulty reigning Google in now, such is the vastness of its being.

So, there are doubters, I see, but does anyone wanna bet their lefty *insert cherished body part here* this is ain't so?

                                                                                                                                                                        

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