Hi Doc, hope you are well Bud. Windows 12 has been in development for a while now Doc, I have been communicating with a Person who confirmed this from MS Itself, After i added my comments in the topic you linked too, i also contacted this person who confirmed it , so it is not really breaking news, more a case of mainstream getting on to the fact it is coming.

Glad to see you taking the plunge neone6, if you still have my Tron Legacy and Alienware Commission files , may i ask you to see how they work in WB 11. I was going to test the Beta out but changed my mind, opting for a more stable Final release, so as not to mess about too much with the complex set up i have running. I do intend to adopt WB 11, just not yet.

I have NOT updated since I only have this One machine, and I don't want to risk not being able to create Themes and get some income from that...   

Thanks Seth!  

Oopsie.

 PdJ. Lol. I thought of that when writing the post...and how you changed to RnD...history.

Sorry Bud, i thought wrong due to reading your other topic about moving up to Win 11. Win 12 will just be what should have been a future feature update to Win 11 but with some more bells and whistles. MS has to flog its "Next Big Thing", they learnt a lot from the negative feedback they got from Windows 10 Being The Last OS Ever", then thought they, Hey, we can keep developing Win 10 , but Call it the next Windows, then peeps will continue to buy it, thinking they have a Whole New OS to play with, even my insider is sick to death explaining the "Win 10" Debacle.

Brad Sams believes W11 is only a stepping stone to W12 like 8/8.1 were to W10. I agree with his thinking.

"According To Brad Sams"

I have heard and read lots of peeps opinions over the years Doc including the one you refer too. At first i thought Win 12 was a joke as did plenty of us, then i heard some things on Reddit and made some connections with peeps who really know what is going on, i wouldn't call them insiders, just MS Developers and then one in particular who told me all about Win 12 and how it was going to pan out. These peeps were not happy when MS shot itself in the foot by trying to tell us Win 10 would be the Last Windows, then releasing Win 11.

There will always be more interest in what peeps think is a New OS as opposed to A New Feature Update to an existing OS, MS gets this so chooses to call what in truth is in fact a big Feature Update to Win 11, Windows 12.

I never did make the jump to Win 8, the wife's last laptop shipped with it and i thought it crap and annoying to use, these days i do not have a choice in what OS i must be signed off on for Work Support reasons. All i can say for certain, is my associate in MS was never under the idea Win 11 was a stepping stone for anything other than a move away from past Statements about Win 10. You would think a company as big as MS would have a clear route for there OSs future developments, but even the Developers can be surprised in the direction MS actually take for future Windows. Windows 11 was to stand on its own just like Win XP and Win 7 and Win 10, there was no intent at all to use Win 11 as a stepping stone to anything, but with hindsight and all the cards in front of us, it can be easy for any of us to assume this.

Brad Sams's article is well reasoned, and as such I respect it. I've read other articles by him which were also well reasoned. When you use quotation marks, I think you should make sure you're actually quoting words that were written or spoken. Neither is, nor was the case here.

One might ask where your statement, 

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Windows 11 was to stand on its own just like Win XP and Win 7 and Win 10, there was no intent at all to use Win 11 as a stepping stone to anything, but with hindsight and all the cards in front of us, it can be easy for any of us to assume this.

comes from? Is it based on a published corporate statement or blog?

It's far from invalid to look at the various versions of Windows and look at the future and reason where it's going, and MS has discussed such plans. No one wrote or said, "MS going to do W98, then XP, then W7, then...etc, etc." In fact the business of W8, then 8.1 supports Brad Sams's thought.

What's being said is that there are definite incremental steps from one OS to another, not making the changes overwhelming in order not to lose customers. Such trial and error steps were even taken inside W11's various versions before it got to the "final" release.

Sorry Doc, i thought i explained were i was getting my information from, No not from a published Corporate statement or Blog, but from a Microsoft Developer who has worked in the development of every OS since and including Win 7, right up to now. I used exclamation marks as you did write this in your reply which looks like you have changed to a link to the article. I do not doubt the things you say about Brad Sams, i was simply letting you know what my developer associate, who actually knows what is what has been telling me about Win 11 and then Win 12. I was not giving you an opinion no matter how well respected that may be, just some information from someone who Works for MS in the development  of said Operating Systems.

I changed nothing in your reply. I qouted you from your prior response. You quoted no article in that response. Quoting means reproducing a portion of text or speech and marking it with quotation marks and attributing it to that source...which is the reason I objected to your use of "According to Brad Sams", unless you used it sarcastically.

Why would your associate, the dev, and you discuss whether MS planned to use progressive steps to develop their OSs as opposed to them being independent OSs especially since it's absolutely clear these OSs were based on and contained elements from prior OSs, or do you maintain that 8, 8.1, 10 and 11 have no common elements which were added to and "improved"/developed, and had you concluded from what he said that they were all independent OSs, why wouldn't you believe they planned a new one, W12?

My associate told me many things about Windows and how it was developed, i asked question and got some answers, some things i understood already, some i did not, My comments about stand alone OSs was more about how the Developers were told how to see the process from one to another and at NO time looked on Win 11 as a stepping stone to anything else, so not an opinion Doc, then as i was told it, along comes another "Next Bright Idea From The Suits Above At MS" reversing direction again, this has happened several Times since Win 10 was meant to be the last ever OS.

Every OS ever created has had content from previous OSs in its Core and incorporated into newer OSs, i responded to your comments about Brads Opinion, informing you what a Developer and others working at MS were told about Direction of Win 11.

We could say every OS ever made was a stepping  stone to the next as unofficial opinions, i am telling you what the peeps who actually do the work on those OSs were told and how to move forward with it. Win 11 was not designed to be a stepping stone for Win 12, not at all, or not until MS realised the uptake was not as fast as the hoped for, and then did another u turn to make it look so, like some great master plan for the future. If Senior Devs did not know this when Win 11 was created, How Can Anyone Else.

I'm not continuing this fruitless back and forth about some anonymous senior dev. 

Brad Sams makes sense. End of story from my point of view.

I think it is now common knowledge that Windows 12 will be released near the end of 2024.

I still believe it is all part of their hardware selling strategy. At first they were going to release a big update every year near the holidays to make pcs look more attractive to buy at Christmas time. Now to sweeten the deal they are going to also increase the number of the operating system every 3 years. However, this strategy looks like it might backfire on Microsoft because their changes for Windows 12 look a little weird  so far (It looks like a remix version of Windows 11 to me)