Correct...but out of context. I was relating to a question regarding a definition or DaaS/WaaS.

Sounding good...

I am not trying to diss you Doc, I respect your rank and position in this forum, all i am saying is , we see lots of things reported on the net by respected people, but we see the absolute opposite on the net too, again by respected reporters. Complete cloud based computing is no closer now than it was when Win 10 was announced as a Waas all those years ago.

We as lowly computer users have very little control over MS and the way they like to do things. You think AI may be my downfall and will put an end to my Hacking as some call it, Experimentation as others may call it. All i can answer to that is, many times over the years i have heard doom a gloom about how things i use will change. Some of those changes did come to pass, and others did not. I still continued,(working with others) to meddle with those changes until those changes and there effects were negated. That is not going to change any time soon, even Stardock felt the need to change something MS dropped the ball over with there Start Apps, others cashed in on this MS error of judgement too as we now see a slew of paid and none paid start replacement apps, that is one example we can all relate too. I am not a company, but when needed i can be very resourceful, i spend time with like minded peeps, we share information and ways to do things, if i sound to you like a "He thinks he knows this or that", i only base this on earlier seismic changes made by MS, that myself and others has decided to alter, change and experiment on until either that change has been reversed or made better and more user friendly, we then share those changes in forums helping spread the word. Every single "negative to the user thing" MS changes or has changed over many years, has been made good by resourceful people, that will not change anytime soon. Will i pay to use my own computer like you think is the next move by MS, NO, will i continue to use my Computer in the normal way using Windows 11, 12 or later, YES. I have said this so many times before. MS pushes, resourceful Peeps Push Back, i see no reason for this to change. Keep your eyes on the scene Doc, no matter what MS does, if plenty of users do not like it, changes, fixes and work arounds will pop up all over the net. You may think MS as all powerful with ultimate power over how users work and play on there machines, i know plenty who would do something about that, i can not see that changing mate.

Everyone is entitled to their own view. 

Here's 1,000 words of mine.

In the past several years heads have rolled at MS over fuck-ups....certainly nothing new there...the one-GUI-fits-all system was a fail, and a big one, probably helped with the demise of the Windows phone....so a shitload of money was lost...as was potential market dominance....

I'd have shot people then too...

So the phone dies...we still have much of the clunky interface it spawned...and a gang of lemmings at MS who can't see backwards...to when the GUI was 'mostly right'....and simply remains 'mostly wrong'.

This isn't about kernels....the newer ones are probably the bees' knees...but the GUI has been re-spelled as 'gooey'.

All's well and good [mostly] because that's where Stardock comes in...and has now for a couple of DECADES.

We 'fix' what Microsoft fucks up.....and we do it so well that MS gets all bitter and twisted and keeps moving those goal posts with a new way of confusing users...and there's short windows [no pun] of opportunity to solve their problems before they just create more.

If any OS since '7' would ACTUALLY GO GOLD they too could be fixed properly.

Microsoft is simply too busy reinventing their business model to bother whether or not they are ruining actual businesses...

DrJBHL

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Everyone is entitled to their own view. 

Here's 1,000 words of mine.

Or click Start and Do Not Pay as myself and loads of others intend no matter what MS do.  

Call Us Legion For We Are Many.  

Or, s.o.l. when MS and its AI updater void your OS warranty and the ability to update their OS. 

I can't seem to find anything about this AI updater

https://techcommunity.microsoft.com/t5/windows-it-pro-blog/using-machine-learning-to-improve-the-windows-10-update/ba-p/877860

https://ai.stackexchange.com/questions/6772/how-does-microsoft-use-ai-to-make-windows-10-updates-smoother

https://www.infoq.com/news/2018/03/microsoft-ai-windows10/

https://www.infoworld.com/article/2886132/how-machine-learning-ate-microsoft.html

A paragraph from the last source:

“I honestly can't think of any recent product development that Microsoft has been involved in that hasn't involved machine learning,” says Microsoft’s director of research, Peter Lee, who left DARPA to run Microsoft’s research arm. “Everything we do now is influenced, one way or another, by machine learning.” 

And,

CEO Satya Nadella called out machine learning -- and the big data that powers it -- as a key development in his memo to Microsoft last July. “Billions of sensors, screens, and devices -- in conference rooms, living rooms, cities, cars, phones, PCs -- are forming a vast network and streams of data that simply disappear into the background of our lives. This computing power will digitize nearly everything around us and will derive insights from all of the data being generated by interactions among people and between people and machines. We are moving from a world where computing power was scarce to a place where it now is almost limitless, and where the true scarce commodity is increasingly human attention.”

How can anyone think that "work arounds" and whatever else will escape the notice of these neural nets, AI and machine learning when W10 put an update AI tool on our computers, albeit a seemingly innocent one? Oops, their computers.The third souce above confirms that an AI module was included in a W10 update...confirmed by MS here: 

https://blogs.windows.com/windowsdeveloper/2018/03/07/ai-platform-windows-developers/

WaaS, whatever you want to call it, MS will either hoover everything and sell it, or convert Windows to a subscription product, or both.  I have no qualms about software subscriptions per se (I subscribe to OD), but I'm not dead in the water if my OD sub expires.  And they'll get around to finding ways to screw you over, the way Adobe has, without notice or recourse.

That.

RedneckDude

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Quoting Jafo,

reply 92

Quoting don5318,

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I got a slab of stubby for you Paul!

Sounding good...

I really wish you guys would speak english. What the hell is a slab of stubby?  Sounds kinda kinky if you ask me.

Yes....what we learn from the thread is what Aussies are talking about when it's all about beer.

A 'stubby' is not a long-neck (that'll help)......

It's a small bottle...usually about 375mls....or half a long-neck 750ml.

A 'slab' is a pack of 24 stubbies (or cans) and is usually more economical than a six-pack... which is exactly that.....6 stubbies or cans....

Ok, now I get it.

Aussies have such a colorful way of saying things!

Hi Doc hope you are well.

Even after watching how windows has developed over the years, and the changes made by inventive people to change back things MS does, you still doubt that the next step of MS mess ups will be changed back too.

Why would you doubt this Doc, Every single time MS has done something radical that users do not like (and lets face it there has been plenty), along come Windows users and companies which will , in one way or another, make it so these changes can be reversed, why do you think this one particular change if it comes , is any different than all that came before it.

Let us just say MS voids my and others Warranties, why would that effect an Experimenter like me and others, we will just fix that too, i am an experienced IT Pro Doc with fingers in lots of IT pies, like i said earlier, MS so far have done nothing peeps like me and others cannot change back. Doc, i hold NO fear over anything MS do now or in the future, They may be a huge Leviathan of a company, but the bigger they come, the more noise they make when they fall flat on there faces, you really think MS can hurt or harm my Online life using Windows 11 or Win 12, they may be able to inconvenience peeps similar to me for a short while, but along will come the fix, it will be applied and me and others will be right back in the game again.

My question to you Doc would be , why do you doubt this when i am sure you have read and seen all the useless, not wanted or needed changes they have made in the past be reversed, either by experimenters, Registry Hack writers or simply by Companies reversing something like Windows 8 and onwards having No Start menu familiar to the masses. This is no Different in the slightest Doc, but you still doubt this, Why?