Ramblings of an old Doc

 

Permit me to quote:

“Microsoft Marketing chief Chris Capossela explained that users who choose Windows 7 do so “at your own risk, at your own peril” and he revealed Microsoft has concerns about its future software and hardware compatibility, security and more.

“We do worry when people are running an operating system that’s 10 years old that the next printer they buy isn’t going to work well, or they buy a new game, they buy Fallout 4, a very popular game, and it doesn’t work on a bunch of older machines,” Capossela stated. “And so, as we are pushing our ISV [Independent Software Vendor] and hardware partners to build great new stuff that takes advantage of Windows 10 that obviously makes the old stuff really bad and not to mention viruses and security problems.”

He also stressed it is “so incredibly important to try to end the fragmentation of the Windows install base” and to get users to a “safer place”.” – Forbes

The only real issue is sales and profits. There’s no reason (apart from stopping support) that Windows 7 should be any less secure than W10…

Wasn’t MS supposed to support W7 until 2020? Or…is that a new nuance to “support”? Will they only issue “vital” patches? And, if you want a machine with a Skylake processor? Well, MS won’t support W7 or 8.1 on a Skylake CPU, it seems.

It seems MS will only provide support for W7 and W8.1 until midsummer 2017.

Already MS has downloaded W10 “by accident” to some computers, and has changed the GWX (get Windows 10) app to seem as if you have no choice but to update. Will they also take away the possibility of clicking the close button to avoid the false choice?

An interesting question.

Incidentally, I took the free upgrade because Stardock made it possible to keep skinning the ugliness (thank you Neil!). I did the shop because Mark needed the spanking…lol. In truth, he’s been a great friend for yonks. I’m trying to convince him to at least give W10 a try.

Source:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3030564/microsoft-windows/microsoft-uses-the-force-you-will-upgrade-to-windows-10.html


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on Feb 09, 2016


I doubt you'll simply fire it up one day and find MS has actively sabotaged your rig to a BSOD.

They can't.

Consumer protection laws don't allow it.

 

So much of this hysteria is somewhere between guesswork and supposition.  None of it is based in reality.

on Feb 09, 2016

starkers

MS had better not pull that forced update shit with 8.1 or I'll disconnect it fom the net and switch to Linux for my primary OS somewhat sooner.  I won't be bullied into accepting crap I either want or need... I don't give a fech hòw big Microsoft thinks it is.

on Feb 09, 2016


I would think that the OS would continue to run fine and continue to work with existing (working) peripherals, it just might not be able to run some new peripherals or video cards, etc., for lack of drivers, things like that. I doubt you'll simply fire it up one day and find MS has actively sabotaged your rig to a BSOD. MS may be dumb in many ways, but not in that way (I hope).

That's what I'm saying.  Win 7 will work/run on existing tech without issue, but not with Skylake and newer tech.  As the article suggests that MS and its partners will not support Win 7 with drivers/firmware on this newer tech, meaning that the OS will fail, presumably because motherboard, graphics card and other important drivers are no longer available.

This doesn't mean that Win 7 will stop running on older hardware.

on Feb 09, 2016

essentially agreed with everything psychoak has posted in this thread.

 

other than that.........the tinfoil is strong in this thread! 

on Feb 09, 2016

While my TFH is in the closet most of the time, I resemble that remark, the_Monk!

Starkers - Maybe this is what you actually mean (Oz language barrier 'n all), but the OS wouldn't have the chance to 'fail', it just wouldn't install.

on Feb 09, 2016

It's not really possible for an OS to not install.  You can, today, install windows 7 on a skylake system.  For this to change, Microsoft would have needed to plan ahead and purposefully design the operating system with future knowledge of Intel's architecture ten years later, to break and no longer work with it after a while.

 

You may not be able to get everything working, but the only way they can make the stuff not work on things it currently does, is by actively breaking it.  To do so would only be possible via updates, and would result in an immediate class action lawsuit and probable criminal prosecution for sabotaging their customers intentionally.  At best, the people running the company would soon be out of a job in retaliation for losing hundreds of millions.

 

Unless they truly have lost all sense of perspective and think they can literally get away with murder, in which case fear for their jobs will send the government cracking down on them so hard they'll think the IE insanity was a wet dream, they wont be doing this sort of thing and they're just trying to scare up some business by making it sound like things will stop working.

on Feb 09, 2016

psychoak

You may not be able to get everything working, but the only way they can make the stuff not work on things it currently does, is by actively breaking it. To do so would only be possible via updates, and would result in an immediate class action lawsuit and probable criminal prosecution for sabotaging their customers intentionally. At best, the people running the company would soon be out of a job in retaliation for losing hundreds of millions.

Unless they truly have lost all sense of perspective and think they can literally get away with murder, in which case fear for their jobs will send the government cracking down on them so hard they'll think the IE insanity was a wet dream, they wont be doing this sort of thing and they're just trying to scare up some business by making it sound like things will stop working.

I kinda said all that but just with less wear and tear on my 2 finger typing ...

on Feb 09, 2016

In my case, verbose repartee is how I keep my hands from degrading to the point where I can't type at all.  Short and succinct isn't much good for practice.

 

Edit: Type ftw, really haven't been typing enough the last several months.  It's gone completely to shit!

on Feb 10, 2016

the_Monk

other than that.........the tinfoil is strong in this thread!

And you're so confident MS isn't doing anything untoward!  The fact that MS keeps reissuing Win 10 updates in various guises to users who have repeatedly rejected it says a lot for me... not to mention the vague/ambiuous descriptions for patches and updates so nobody really knows what they're installing.  These things are not of tinfoil territory, they're fact.

The truth is, MS is doing everything short of downright illegal to get every Windows user onto Win 10, and because not everyone is complying, it is resorting to more desperate measures to trick, cajole, force people into using it.  Well that ain't happening here.  I'm one of millions who don't like Win 10 and who will switch platforms when their current Windows OS is no longer viable.

I really hoped the next OS [after 8.1] was going to be the best yet, but for mine, Win 10 is the worst Windows ever.... even without my tinfoil hat.

on Feb 10, 2016

JMHO, not sure how recent that stats are but 10 has about a 12% market share while 7 is still above 50%. I'm thinking that even with the "free" upgrade that they may be disappointed with the results. They are now turning to threats and innuendo to force others to switch.

Like I said, just my humble opinion.

on Feb 10, 2016

psychoak

It's not really possible for an OS to not install.

I defer to your greater expertise, psycho.  But, just out of curiosity, couldn't firmware do the job of detecting the OS attempting to be installed & say 'nuh-uh-uh, nixnay'?

on Feb 10, 2016


JMHO, not sure how recent that stats are but 10 has about a 12% market share while 7 is still above 50%. I'm thinking that even with the "free" upgrade that they may be disappointed with the results. They are now turning to threats and innuendo to force others to switch.

Like I said, just my humble opinion.

That's exactly it!  MS is not happy with the poor uptake to Win 10.  Despite its claims that Win 10 is on so many millions of machines, many of those copies were foisted on purchasers of new machines.... they did NOT install it by choice.  Another large number of copies is on OEM machines still sitting on store shelves around the world.... and the rest are on machines of those who sucked up the 'free' upgrade.  Had it a been pay for OS, I doubt very much the abomination would be on half as many of those PCs... if that.

As for the threats; intimidation; persistent upgrade attempts; innuendo and badly worded update/patch information, MS should be hauled over the coals by whatever Senate committee deals with that sort of thing.  Smaller companies would not get away with it, and neither should MS.  If I reject Win 10, not once but several times, MS should get the message and cease to pester me with related updates, patches and so-called important fixes.  Sadly it doesn't, with altered/reworded Win 10 related updates turning up again and again.

Had I not set my updates to manual installations, the bastards would have snuck it through already... and geez, then I'd have been mightily pissed and told MS where to shove all its products.

on Feb 10, 2016

starkers

And you're so confident MS isn't doing anything untoward!

 

Actually I am so confident in the fact that of all of the giant tech corps "doing things untoward" MS has been (and likely always will be) under the most intense scrutiny and that alone tends to deter any number of infractions (even if I were to indulge some of the tin-foulness in this thread) 

on Feb 10, 2016

the_Monk


Quoting starkers,

And you're so confident MS isn't doing anything untoward!



 

Actually I am so confident in the fact that of all of the giant tech corps "doing things untoward" MS has been (and likely always will be) under the most intense scrutiny and that alone tends to deter any number of infractions (even if I were to indulge some of the tin-foulness in this thread) 

 

Here's a conspiracy for you...Cortana is just away to get people to use Bing. 

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