Ramblings of an old Doc

 

Tuesday, the NTSB called for this complete ban:

“Federal officials on Tuesday called for a nationwide ban on the use of personal electronic devices while driving—including talking on the phone, as well as sending and reading text messages.

The recommendation, from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), came out of a board meeting intended to evaluate an August 2010 multi-vehicle accident in Missouri caused by a distracted driver.

"More than 3,000 people lost their lives last year in distraction-related accidents," NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman said in a statement. "It is time for all of us to stand up for safety by turning off electronic devices when driving."

"No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life," she said.” - http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/2011/gray_summit_mo/index.html

The above link leads to an accident report. It’s worth reading.

“As a result of this accident sequence, the driver of the GMC pickup and one passenger seated in the rear of the lead school bus were killed. A total of 35 passengers from both buses, the 2 bus drivers, and the driver of the Volvo tractor received injuries ranging from minor to serious.” – ibid

The bottom line is that these devices are used by careless, unthinking fools while driving or operating machines which by their nature (size, weight, speed, etc.) can magnify the results of distraction.

That’s not even counting such geniuses as Alec Baldwin and his “game” which couldn’t be interrupted by something as trivial as an airplane full of other people taking off at a busy airport. How many could he (and others) chalk up every year with their nonsense?

I’m not crazy about regulations. They limit one. They also depend on voluntary compliance. People (adults) should be able to control themselves and comply. The sad fact is that "should” and “reality” is so incredibly far apart that this is a case where that the “freedom” to comply or not should be taken away.

Why do regulators even think such a “freedom” does or should exist? What these users, wait… abusers is doing kills and maims themselves and others (and also drives up insurance rates so we all pay for it).

No one has the “freedom/right/entitlement” to take another life or maim another except in well circumscribed circumstances. SMS messaging, phone calls and “tunes” just don’t figure in those cases.

These devices should have an automatic “suspend” feature activated by motion (and turned off by stopping) which could only be overcome by appropriate authorities to relay emergency messages such as “Area X: Disaster in progress, take cover.”

What about an “emergency” message from a child in danger to his/her parent? The phone/device should have an “emergency button” for such an instance, and should go to the police and activate a GPS “marker”.  Any misuse prank should cost both the parent and child.

I believe that (as usual) the abusers lack of consideration of others has reached a level with such lethal results that “choice” (which honestly doesn’t really exist in such situations for normal adults) needs to be taken away. Any tampering with such limitations should carry penalties like tampering with smoke detectors, or perhaps sterner.

Enough is enough; in fact, too much and too dear.


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on Dec 15, 2011

DrJBHL
Indeed. "Distracted Doctoring" is also caused by hospital loudspeakers, nurses and endless hours without sleep. Some digital devices can help in decision making, however. They can also have apps which link the hospital to the office making critical labs and imaging availableto the M.D. very quickly.

Careful, there, old man. I'm the son of an alpha nurse who helped bring hospice to my local community and spent much of her professional life struggling with the white-coated-god problem. The role/rank is not the important thing, it's the level of professionalism.

That aside, the digital health info thing is a subject I've been following since the mid '90s. One of the things I learned from my mom back in the '70s was that bad handwriting on prescription forms and hospital charts could and did cause harm to patients. So I was predisposed to support the idea of moving medical documentation to digital systems, way back when cell phones were pricey status symbols and Microsoft was only starting to let marketing twits name the software releases.

But back in that 'early adopter' moment, I had no idea what the world would look like when the streets, sidewalks, and hallways were full of people paying at least as much attention to a machine as they were paying to their surroundings. One of my life goals is to die with my birth being my only personal hospital experience. But if I should end up undergoing something like bypass surgery, I definitely don't want a tech in the OR accessing any data that isn't directly related to the success of the operation. 

on Dec 15, 2011

This has zero, zilch, nada to do with safety.  Think about it.  There are 10's of millions of cell phones on the road that weren't there in the 1980's.  And yet, death and injury statistics remain flat, taking into account the number of additional cars on the road in general.  We should be seeing an exponential increase in such accidents and yet we don't.  The truth is, the same guy who plowed into your backside while on the phone would have done the same 30 years ago lighting a cigarette, taking a bite of a sandwich or any other distracting activities.

Studies done comparing states with and without cell phone bans show NO reduction in accidents even though phone use has been reduced significantly in the banning states.  That matches the overall comparative statistics between 1980's and current accident rates.

From an automobile insurance study (a group that would obviously love to pay out for fewer accidents):

"While the bans have resulted in actual reductions in phone use, they have not resulted in any reduction in crash rates, according to the Institute.

The Institute found similar results from bans on text messaging while driving. In fact, in a strange twist, texting bans actually resulted in more crashes in several states, according to an IIHS study."

I heard the head of NTSB on the radio and she says CBs in trucks should be banned as well.  The interviewer didn't think to ask about taxi radios but I'm sure she would have said ban those, given her mindset -- namely, that she is smarter than the rest of us and needs to rescue us from ourselves.  She was asked about passengers in the car and gave a lame excuse that the talking passengers counted as extra navigators.  Yeah, so many 7 year olds are great at that aren't they?   The best a passenger has ever done is yell "watch out" when you are either too close to do anything or far enough away that you already noticed the same danger.

Someone should pull a Michael Moore on her and follow and film her, because I suspect we'd find her on her own cell phone more than off.

If you don't feel safe using a phone or any other device including a car radio, then I agree with you, pull over to the side of the road.  But please don't impose your fear on others.

The NTSB wants to mandate always-on tracking devices in every car, are you all also in favor of that?  They say that's for our safety as well.

on Dec 15, 2011

GW Swicord
I'm the son of an alpha nurse

And I was a nurse.

The point was that when writing an order, a nurse calling or talking to a Doctor can be a distraction.

GW Swicord
The role/rank is not the important thing, it's the level of professionalism.

That was insulting and deserves an apology.

As to old man... not quite, but getting there. Probably because I keep the phone in the glove compartment while driving.

on Dec 15, 2011

gevansmd
This has zero, zilch, nada to do with safety. Think about it. There are 10's of millions of cell phones on the road that weren't there in the 1980's. And yet, death and injury statistics remain flat, taking into account the number of additional cars on the road in general.

Other factors cloud the stats.

Modern cars are intrinsically safer, both primary and secondary safety.

The incontovertible fact is...one brainless bitch in Germany plowed through an entire group of cyclists while texting.

Though to be fair...she probably didn't have the IQ to do either, let alone both.

But she's still an efficient killer...and I'm sure she's since texted everyone how she got a slap on the wrist.

Remember...this is NOT about an attack/restriction on your RIGHTS.

Driving is not a right...it's a privilege... that should NOT be abused.

 

As for Nascar/racing drivers being able to do 200mph etc while talking.....even professionals fuck it up.  I've seen it.  36 years 'in the game' of reporting racing drivers' stupidity and 'incidents' - it's where 'JAFO' comes from.

Channel 7 in Australia pioneered in-car cameras in motor racing...and a logical progression was for in-car communication to the TV commentators.  Several entertaining crashes at Bathurst resulted from the distractions....even the motorised remote camera head was disliked by some drivers....and it didn't even talk....it just moved.

Team communications in modern racing are circumstance-relevant.   The drivers are NOT arguing about a pay rise with their boss ...or compiling a list of shit to buy at the supermarket.... or waxing eloquent to broker a new business deal/get a secretary into the sack.

Too much of the resistance voiced here is simply a claim that it's the 'other driver' who's incapable of managing...afterall I'M a GOOD DRIVER.

No you are not.

And even if you were....it's that incompetent 'other driver' who slams into YOU.

You're no less dead, but at least you WERE 'competent'. 

on Dec 15, 2011

I'm trying to quote Doc's reply 48, but the forum code is listing RiddleKing as the user in updated versions of both Opera and IE 8. 

Re the nurse-doc thing, what can I say but that sometimes I have more respect for testicle owners who've both nursed and doctored than I do for medical womenfolk in general. It's a post-feminist thing, I guess. 

Re "old man," that was not meant as an ageist remark; one of the other things my mom passed on to me was a bit of Anglophilia. But on the older-than-many-folks channel, using a phrase like "glove compartment," well...

on Dec 15, 2011

I had a cell phone in my car back when they were not common--people would stare at you at traffic lights.

I was very normally multitasked in my job--I worked directly for the company CEO who was an attorney and dealt with the largest national clients.  A lot of my work was statistics, appointment juggling and setting deadlines and I noticed the second day of having the phone that I was going to get killed if I kept talking on it while I drove.

It is the same effect when you are really tired driving and are listening to a melodic song and get lost in it and fall asleep for a second without even realizing it.  It's a psychological process going on that has to do with where your head is.

I could tell my wife , "I'll be home at 9" pretty safely I think but if I had a long conversation where I was engaged in thought, I could just as easily not realize how distracted I was.

So on the second day of having a phone I made my own, "Do not call" rule--well before anyone was saying it was a problem.  I have seen more drivers than I can count running over/under the speed limit, weaving over lines and even coming head on into my lane while they "chatted"--texting just added a whole new opportunity for stupid people to be even more dangerous.

on Dec 15, 2011

Sinperium
I was very normally multitasked in my job--

"Multi-tasking" is nonsense. Female code crap.

If task A takes 3 minutes, and task B takes 3 minutes (when each is done alone), doing task A and task B at the same time takes 8 minutes.

End of multi-nonsense.

Do each task sequentially. Do each to the best of your ability. Move on. Works faster, better and fewer mistakes. Also a lot calmer.

on Dec 15, 2011

DrJBHL
Female code crap.

Please explain how the females own the multitasking trope. I'm a testicle owner, but it seem to me that multitasking is more about serving a given master than it is about expressing a given gender identity.

on Dec 15, 2011

DrJBHL
Quoting theAVMAN, reply 42Simply Put SOME CAN SOME CANT!!!!!!

No, my friend. No one can and not risk what isn't his to risk: Your and others' lives and limbs.

 

Doc you know I am probably the last one to enter a disagreement but I think you missed my intent all together....

Lets say this a different way ..

   I think everyone can agree that there are some people that will live tthier whole lives while never having a wreck while on a cell phone.

Consiquently some people will have numerous wrecks while talking.Not everyone has the ability to focus on a hundred mph fast ball  but those who do

typically have faster focus times and faster reaction times so would have a better chance than someone with poor eye site and slow reaction times.

  Now I will gladly conceed that ANYONE on the phone is not as good as the SAME driver without the phone.That having been said I had rather pass myself who is talking on the phone than the guy who ran me off the road last week simply because he could not see ovver the dashboard very well.

  Ironically I once ran into a light pole in grocery store parking lot while arguing on a cell phone thus causing me to be one of the people who pull over alot to talk!

 

on Dec 15, 2011

GW Swicord
Please explain how the females own the multitasking trope.

It's how their brains are wired.

It's noteworthy even just in the field of Motor Racing just how many women are on the other end of my comms set [in Race Control] where they're responding to [typically in Formula One] 26 trackside Comms points whilst getting instruction from Race Directors, Clerks of Course, etc. beside them.  The pressures of F1 Race Comms is 'multi-tasking'.

And just how many Formula One drivers are/have been women.  [I think in my 32 years I recall ....2].

Race driving typically involves concentration on just one thing - the lap sequence.  It's linear. [actually it's circular]...

 

on Dec 15, 2011

theAVMAN
Ironically I once ran into a light pole in grocery store parking lot while arguing on a cell phone thus causing me to be one of the people who pull over alot to talk!

At least [we assume] no-one died during your realisation that talking on a phone is a problem...

Road trauma is only eddykayshunal if you can survive it...

on Dec 15, 2011

man.

 

i just had the bestest idea.

 

my flatscreen tv has a dvd player inbuilt.

preety sure my ac-dv converter could handle it...

 

and by gosh are tv's not portable so ima FINE.

 

on Dec 15, 2011

I don't ever use my phone while driving.  It's always in my pocket.  But now since I bought an external USB charger for my new Android Smartphone (the battery drains very quickly), will I get in trouble if my phone is visible on the passenger seat or cupholder (while charging)?  I'm kinda worried now that when I sit at a red light and a police vehicle drives next to me, he'll think i'm up to something, even though i'm just charging my phone while driving (and not using it). 

I just can't afford for my new phone to die on me when I might need it most (like if something goes wrong with my car.  I need an emergency charger for such an occasion.)

Every time I talk on the phone, I'm always parked.  When my phone rings while driving, I just ignore it.

on Dec 15, 2011

GW Swicord



Quoting DrJBHL,
reply 52
Female code crap.


Please explain how the females own the multitasking trope. I'm a testicle owner, but it seem to me that multitasking is more about serving a given master than it is about expressing a given gender identity.

The myth used to be that females could multitask better than we poor, prognathic knuckle draggers. It was femcode for female superiority. Until:

http://www.womenagainstmen.com/media/women-less-likely-to-multitask-than-men.html

And, the fact that multi-tasking costs more in time than mono-tasking.

on Dec 15, 2011

VistArtXPosed
I don't ever use my phone while driving. It's always in my pocket. But now since I bought an external USB charger for my new Android Smartphone (the battery drains very quickly), will I get in trouble if my phone is visible on the passenger seat or cupholder (while charging)? I'm kinda worried now that when I sit at a red light and a police vehicle drives next to me, he'll think i'm up to something, even though i'm just charging my phone while driving (and not using it).

Legislation in Oz refers to 'holding the phone'.  It's simply unenforceable to require a phone NOT even be present in the vehicle...

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