Ramblings of an old Doc

 

Tuesday, the NTSB called for this complete ban:

“Federal officials on Tuesday called for a nationwide ban on the use of personal electronic devices while driving—including talking on the phone, as well as sending and reading text messages.

The recommendation, from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), came out of a board meeting intended to evaluate an August 2010 multi-vehicle accident in Missouri caused by a distracted driver.

"More than 3,000 people lost their lives last year in distraction-related accidents," NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman said in a statement. "It is time for all of us to stand up for safety by turning off electronic devices when driving."

"No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life," she said.” - http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/2011/gray_summit_mo/index.html

The above link leads to an accident report. It’s worth reading.

“As a result of this accident sequence, the driver of the GMC pickup and one passenger seated in the rear of the lead school bus were killed. A total of 35 passengers from both buses, the 2 bus drivers, and the driver of the Volvo tractor received injuries ranging from minor to serious.” – ibid

The bottom line is that these devices are used by careless, unthinking fools while driving or operating machines which by their nature (size, weight, speed, etc.) can magnify the results of distraction.

That’s not even counting such geniuses as Alec Baldwin and his “game” which couldn’t be interrupted by something as trivial as an airplane full of other people taking off at a busy airport. How many could he (and others) chalk up every year with their nonsense?

I’m not crazy about regulations. They limit one. They also depend on voluntary compliance. People (adults) should be able to control themselves and comply. The sad fact is that "should” and “reality” is so incredibly far apart that this is a case where that the “freedom” to comply or not should be taken away.

Why do regulators even think such a “freedom” does or should exist? What these users, wait… abusers is doing kills and maims themselves and others (and also drives up insurance rates so we all pay for it).

No one has the “freedom/right/entitlement” to take another life or maim another except in well circumscribed circumstances. SMS messaging, phone calls and “tunes” just don’t figure in those cases.

These devices should have an automatic “suspend” feature activated by motion (and turned off by stopping) which could only be overcome by appropriate authorities to relay emergency messages such as “Area X: Disaster in progress, take cover.”

What about an “emergency” message from a child in danger to his/her parent? The phone/device should have an “emergency button” for such an instance, and should go to the police and activate a GPS “marker”.  Any misuse prank should cost both the parent and child.

I believe that (as usual) the abusers lack of consideration of others has reached a level with such lethal results that “choice” (which honestly doesn’t really exist in such situations for normal adults) needs to be taken away. Any tampering with such limitations should carry penalties like tampering with smoke detectors, or perhaps sterner.

Enough is enough; in fact, too much and too dear.


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on Dec 15, 2011

I wonder how this is going to impact the, at least, 1/3 of the doctors that I transcribe for -- they dictate from their cars on their cell phones.  I actually was talking to one from Chicago the other day, she admitted to dictating from her car and I shocking said "you dictate from your car?!"  She said she does it all the time.  I responded she must be a much better driver than I am, because I need to concentrate to drive.  I guess since she's a busy doctor and I'm just a work-from-home transcriptionist, she's not privy to the glaring statistics that I get to read about in the news about how not only texting and talking on a cell while driving causes accidents, but also having someone else in the car talking on a cell is distracting enough (more so, according to the report I read) to cost lives.


The articles that I've read state that cell phones (talking and texting) are more detrimental to driving than driving drunk.

on Dec 15, 2011

GW Swicord
The fascinating thing in the research is that it isn't an "other guy" problem, it's individuals' ability to hold conflicting ideas.

I agree... the famous experiment with the stationary dot of light in a dark room and others (shills) saying it moved... even though the person felt it didn't, he agreed that it moved.

Wizard1956
but you never heard of anyone getting run over by a ratchet-jawed trucker on a CB

That's true... but no one was aware of the problem back then, so questions weren't asked and no logs existed in a cb. Fact is, it's no less a distraction.

Distractions are cumulative. While one might deal well with one distraction, if a driving situation becomes suddenly more complex, he/she might well not be able to deal with it. Just like an alcohol user.

Wizard1956
Training and focus on the task at hand(driving) helped assure that they would be home safely at the end of their run.

Then you do agree that dividing one's focus decreases safety.

I wonder how this is going to impact the, at least, 1/3 of the doctors that I transcribe

Profession is irrelephant, Karen. You're also guessing at what she might or might not have been thinking. Don't forget Cognitive Dissonance... Doesn't matter who does it. They're all equally dangerous and should be punished equally. No one's dictation, texting or conversation is important enough to endanger anyone elses well being.

Doctors or lawyers or Indian Chiefs all deal equally poorly with distraction:

The articles that I've read state that cell phones (talking and texting) are more detrimental to driving than driving drunk.

And that's the truth!

 

on Dec 15, 2011

Wizard1956
Face it, if a driver can't hold a conversation, hands-free electronically or person to person within the vehicle without being dangerously distracted, they should park it or just duct tape their mouth shut shut before entering a vehicle.

60 MPH is 88 fps ......a one second delay/distraction and you are 5 car lengths ahead of where you were......

Dissociation from your environment through conversing with someone...particularly OUTSIDE your environment is an actual distraction and a very real danger.  It is akin to driving while drowsy....and in Oz we have road signs that simply say "Drowsy drivers die".

You are genuinely fooling yourself if you think you are NOT impaired while driving and talking on a phone...hand-held or otherwise.

If you THINK you are not impaired....enroll in an advanced driving course...get yourself on a slalem/skid pan....and try it out.

I GUARANTEE you will be horrified.

on Dec 15, 2011

I would have to agree that drivers should concentrate on 1 thing only, DRIVING. Passengers in a car can see when the driver is in a more dangerous position and the conversation stops or turns to helping the driver be more aware where the person on the other side of the phone don't care if you're car is going off a cliff, they just keep talking.

I also read that the more safe you make a car the faster and more careless people drive. If you want the driver to have both hands on the wheel and 100% attention to the road you need to put a spear on the horn pointing at the drivers throat.

on Dec 15, 2011

I would go even further and make there be an active signal inhibitor block the signal of the phone while the car is in motion.  You want to talk on the phone park your car and talk all you want.

on Dec 15, 2011

Texting, hand-dialing, holding and talking on a phone while driving - all are stupid and potentially dangerous.

Doc's line of reasoning, however, would require that radios/CD players be removed from vehicles and other (non-driving) humans be banned from vehicles while in motion.  Perhaps we should be required to wear centrally-monitored sleep verification devices to be sure no one gets behind the wheel tired.  The only way to make things safer still would be to ban driving vehicles altogether.  That would definitely decrease deaths from motor vehicle accidents.

I'm also curious to know why two-way radio devices used by cabbies & shuttle bus drivers for millions of man-hours per year while in motion are not a problem.  And shuttle drivers here use console-mounted laptops while under way all the time.

on Dec 15, 2011

Doc's line of reasoning, however, would require that radios/CD players be removed from vehicles and other (non-driving) humans be banned from vehicles while in motion.

They are when the driver starts fiddling with discs, channels and volume/balance/fade, etc. Look... it's simple: If it lulls you or if it or it's maintenance cause you to pay one iota less attention to your driving, it's a distraction. They add up, even if you don't have to fiddle with them.

Perhaps we should be required to wear centrally-monitored sleep verification devices to be sure no one gets behind the wheel tired.

Perhaps we should. If you fall asleep and kill/maim only yourself and destroy no one elses property? OK. Anything else? Not OK.

The only way to make things safer still would be to ban driving vehicles altogether. That would definitely decrease deaths from motor vehicle accidents.

Indeed it would. Nothing wrong with well planned and available mass transit. Less polluting, too. Good idea.

I'm also curious to know why two-way radio devices used by cabbies & shuttle bus drivers for millions of man-hours per year while in motion are not a problem. And shuttle drivers here use console-mounted laptops while under way all the time.

Who said they aren't? I believe they are. When no logs are available, hard to know how much they contribute to the problem, right?

 

on Dec 15, 2011

The worst  drivers are perverts? (Cant do better than this. 2 drunk)

on Dec 15, 2011

That was uncalled for and in poor taste.

Would you please change that comment?

 

on Dec 15, 2011

Comment from quote has been edited.  Moderator

 

^Just another example of why cross posts aren't a good idea.  JMO, of course, but the general mindset of gamers and the general mindset of customizers are not on the same par.

on Dec 15, 2011

"RiddleKing" Please go back to your own forum where this kind of talk goes on all the time. This is a serious subject and your tough guy or attention getting statements aren't liked or needed here. Better yet it's time to grow up and learn respect for others.

On subject I have to say this.

1. I agree 100% that driving, holding a cell and talking and texting don't mix.

2. Hands Free - I find myself that I pay total attention while driving which is something i can't say when only a very few times while using the phone hand help I have no idea at times how I even got from point A to point B because I couldn't even remember the lights I went through. When I realized that I never used a phone in the automobile again.

3. What is the difference between talking hands free ot talking to your kids, friends, or spouse sitting next to you? There will be many other opinions but here is mine. When I talk hands free I find myself paying much more attention to the road then when talking to a friend and looking over from time to time while talking to them. So take away hands free then also give a ticket to the driver talking to another person in the automobile when you see them. So lets add that to the law. Hell that will never happen.

4. When I see police cars, cars with Goverment tags on them and never see these people talking on their cell phones I would say just start this law rolling. Along with that and don't tell me you don't see it, how about all the times you have seen ploice at a light or where ever seeing the person in the car next to them talking on the cell and do nothing. When the light changes they just drive off looking for someone going 10 MPH over the speed limit.

5. Here is the bottom line. Unless there is a way to shut the phone off because it knows you are in your car these laws just can't be enforced to really make a difference especially on moving highways where most of the bad accidents happen. Hell my State, NJ has had a cell and texting ban in for some time now and nothing has changed. - It just can't be enforced_ To many people very few Police officers.

These are only my comments and opinion. So if anyone wishes to break any of my specific numbers feel free. However I'm not getting into a war over what I said and any replies back on any of them as anyone is entilted to their thoughts. So if anyone agrees with any of them fine, if not, fine. Didn't say them to get into a pissing contest.

on Dec 15, 2011

Karen, SOSE, GalCivII and JU all have responded to my OP and have been thoughtful and well reasoned in comments from members whom I've come to really welcome on my threads whether agreeing or disagreeing with me.

Comment #23 is non-contributory and in (my standards) poor taste and for that reason I requested editing of it. In general, newcomers to other Forums don't know of the more 'family oriented' approach/accent here on WC. So, my approach is different.

If it weren't for cross posting, I wouldn't have met some interesting people nor learned their ideas.

 

edited (thanks, yrag) - was looking at the last 2 numbers in the Forum url.

on Dec 15, 2011

That would be # 23.

People can barely drive with two hands on the wheel. A ban can't happen soon enough.   

on Dec 15, 2011

DOC help me out here please as I value your knowledge. You said comment #66 is non-contributory. Is there something I need to turn on in the forums? Your last reply that I'm looking at is #27. Where is this #66? Thanks.

I think it's an intersting topic. Many different opinions can be offered with it except for #23 which should be nuked or ban the person for a week to see if they will learn respect for all.

 

OK I see you just changed it to #23 so guess there was never no #66

on Dec 15, 2011

There is no such thing as risk-free driving (or living, for that matter).  At what point on the continuum of risk does one stop proscribing?  And who decides?  It would be nice (perhaps) if we had an asymptotic curve on which could be plotted an inflection point, but I don't think that's the case.

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