Ramblings of an old Doc

 

Tuesday, the NTSB called for this complete ban:

“Federal officials on Tuesday called for a nationwide ban on the use of personal electronic devices while driving—including talking on the phone, as well as sending and reading text messages.

The recommendation, from the National Transportation Safety Board (NTSB), came out of a board meeting intended to evaluate an August 2010 multi-vehicle accident in Missouri caused by a distracted driver.

"More than 3,000 people lost their lives last year in distraction-related accidents," NTSB Chairman Deborah A.P. Hersman said in a statement. "It is time for all of us to stand up for safety by turning off electronic devices when driving."

"No call, no text, no update, is worth a human life," she said.” - http://www.ntsb.gov/news/events/2011/gray_summit_mo/index.html

The above link leads to an accident report. It’s worth reading.

“As a result of this accident sequence, the driver of the GMC pickup and one passenger seated in the rear of the lead school bus were killed. A total of 35 passengers from both buses, the 2 bus drivers, and the driver of the Volvo tractor received injuries ranging from minor to serious.” – ibid

The bottom line is that these devices are used by careless, unthinking fools while driving or operating machines which by their nature (size, weight, speed, etc.) can magnify the results of distraction.

That’s not even counting such geniuses as Alec Baldwin and his “game” which couldn’t be interrupted by something as trivial as an airplane full of other people taking off at a busy airport. How many could he (and others) chalk up every year with their nonsense?

I’m not crazy about regulations. They limit one. They also depend on voluntary compliance. People (adults) should be able to control themselves and comply. The sad fact is that "should” and “reality” is so incredibly far apart that this is a case where that the “freedom” to comply or not should be taken away.

Why do regulators even think such a “freedom” does or should exist? What these users, wait… abusers is doing kills and maims themselves and others (and also drives up insurance rates so we all pay for it).

No one has the “freedom/right/entitlement” to take another life or maim another except in well circumscribed circumstances. SMS messaging, phone calls and “tunes” just don’t figure in those cases.

These devices should have an automatic “suspend” feature activated by motion (and turned off by stopping) which could only be overcome by appropriate authorities to relay emergency messages such as “Area X: Disaster in progress, take cover.”

What about an “emergency” message from a child in danger to his/her parent? The phone/device should have an “emergency button” for such an instance, and should go to the police and activate a GPS “marker”.  Any misuse prank should cost both the parent and child.

I believe that (as usual) the abusers lack of consideration of others has reached a level with such lethal results that “choice” (which honestly doesn’t really exist in such situations for normal adults) needs to be taken away. Any tampering with such limitations should carry penalties like tampering with smoke detectors, or perhaps sterner.

Enough is enough; in fact, too much and too dear.


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on Dec 15, 2011

Not before time.

Too many people die because some twit is twittering on his mobile.

No different to being pissed....drink and drive and you are an effing idiot....ditto to phones.

on Dec 15, 2011

I agree with it all, except for the hands free ban, that is just silly. I have a built in OnStar phone in my vehicle that I pay for and it is an integral part of the emergency system, but I can use it with voice commands to make normal calls also.  What are they going to do, have it turned off too? I think that would really make that company (and me) angry.

on Dec 15, 2011

Agree with it, if you have to use the phone pull over.

I ignore the phone while I'm in the car, once I reach my destination I call/text back... a few minutes waiting doesn't hurt.

 

 

on Dec 15, 2011

This is silly. You can't ban a ninja  .  We always find a way

 

Its a good idea.

on Dec 15, 2011

LightStar
I agree with it all, except for the hands free ban, that is just silly. I have a built in OnStar phone in my vehicle that I pay for and it is an integral part of the emergency system, but I can use it with voice commands to make normal calls also.  What are they going to do, have it turned off too? I think that would really make that company (and me) angry.

Honestly? An emergency  (ie crash or medical) is one thing (and if medical you should pull over).

To use it otherwise, you should pull over. It's a distraction (you, me, everyone needs all faculties while driving) which is unnecessary at best, lethal at worst.

Multitasking is a myth.

on Dec 15, 2011

Having just last week got almost run into a guard rail by a texting semi-driver...almost driven off an overpass two months before by a texting teen and having more people than I can count almost drive into me while staring at me on their approach--because they were so mentally caught up in their conversation they didn't register me or my car--I'm all for it.

Not to mention the dozens of teens and twenty-somethings who text while they drive because they tell me, "I just can't help it" and "But I'm careful.".

Three years ago, a lady broadsided me while I was stopped at a light and she was pulling out of Wendys.  She was staring straight at me and I honked my horn and waved at her as she just drove right into my car--while talking on her cell phone.

on Dec 15, 2011

Sinperium
Having just last week got almost run into a guard rail by a texting semi-driver...almost driven off an overpass two months before by a texting teen and having more people than I can count almost drive into me while staring at me on their approach--because they were so mentally caught up in their conversation they didn't register me or my car--I'm all for it.

Not to mention the dozens of teens and twenty-somethings who text while they drive because they tell me, "I just can't help it" and "But I'm careful.".

Three years ago, a lady broadsided me while I was stopped at a light and she was pulling out of Wendys.  She was staring straight at me and I honked my horn and waved at her as she just drove right into my car--while talking on her cell phone.

So much for "multi-tasking": Just BS to convince people that using 1/10 of the useful 1/10 for ten tasks is the same as using all possible brain.

They don't even have enough brain to begin with, nevermind (good pun) subdividing it.

Q - "What was the last thing to go through the drivers' mind as he hit the windshield?"

A - "His mobile phone."

on Dec 15, 2011

DrJBHL

Quoting LightStar, reply 2I agree with it all, except for the hands free ban, that is just silly. I have a built in OnStar phone in my vehicle that I pay for and it is an integral part of the emergency system, but I can use it with voice commands to make normal calls also.  What are they going to do, have it turned off too? I think that would really make that company (and me) angry.

Honestly? An emergency  (ie crash or medical) is one thing (and if medical you should pull over).

To use it otherwise, you should pull over. It's a distraction (you, me, everyone needs all faculties while driving) which is unnecessary at best, lethal at worst.

Multitasking is a myth.

I am not going to really argue the point with you much Doc, but this will never fly anyway.  First of all the cops would never be able to enforce it ( http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2011/12/14/9452292-proposed-cellphone-ban-splits-police-lawmakers ) and people would just ignore it anyway. I only use my hands free system every once in a blue moon anyway if it is important and only for a very short time. If someone allows themselves to become distracted for any reason while driving a vehicle and talking on a hands free system, ... well let's just say that stupidity must reign supreme. Gee, lets ban listening to a radio and singing while you drive too, that's a distraction also.

on Dec 15, 2011

DrJBHL
Q - "What was the last thing to go through the drivers' mind as he hit the windshield?"

A - "His mobile phone."

We had a footballer in Oz......wiped himself out running into the back of a parked truck.  Made all the headlines cos he was such a tosser....[er famous footballer].  He dubiously had several dozen mobile phones in the boot...back when they were several thousand $ each.....

My sister - in -law works for the DPP...she saw the crash photos...and yes...one of the phones was stuck in the back of his head.....

on Dec 15, 2011

LightStar
I am not going to really argue the point with you much Doc, but this will never fly anyway. First of all the cops would never be able to enforce it ...

Doc already mentioned the likely most effective fix: regulating the tech, not the users. There is a growing pile of empirical evidence that even hands-free calls impair drivers as much as being legally drunk does.

The two main obstacles to a successful policy to reduce these deaths and injuries are the mobile device manufacturers (including care makers with embedded devices in some models), and our old friend cognitive dissonance. Some recent surveys have shown solid majorities in the U.S. believe using mobile devices while driving is dangerous, yet nearly as many people admit to doing it regularly. 

on Dec 15, 2011

GW Swicord
The two main obstacles to a successful policy to reduce these deaths and injuries are the mobile device manufacturers

Their motives are clear: Profit from use, and profit from the addiction to that SMS social crap. They use "free texting" to sell their plans.

Actually Insurance Co.'s (through their cupidity) might actually do what lawmakers (i.e. "freeloaders on the public") can't by saying, "Use of any mobile device while driving voids your insurance coverage for any damages inflicted or incurred for any occurrence during that usage."

GW Swicord
Some recent surveys have shown solid majorities in the U.S. believe using mobile devices while driving is dangerous, yet nearly as many people admit to doing it regularly.

It's always "the other guy", isn't it? "I can do it because I'm good, or do it rarely."   Sort of like "I only drive under the influence rarely."

No one would tolerate that argument yet they tolerate and espouse the other.

Vulcans these folks ain't.

on Dec 15, 2011

As far as I'm concerned phones should just make calls...period. They have to much stuff on phones that can distract you and just because you can do something doesn't mean you should. Used to be you'd never see an ad on tv for a phone of all things....now it's every other ad. And with all the texting and such on these phones people are becoming social misfits.

on Dec 15, 2011

GW Swicord
There is a growing pile of empirical evidence that even hands-free calls impair drivers as much as being legally drunk does.

Must be a bunch of complete idiots if they are talking hands free using voice commands then. I for one think it is people, not the devices. I lost a loved one in 1994 to a stupid 16 year old slamming into the back of my car and killing my 7 year old daughter, and causing a severe concussion on my 14 year old son that I truly feel he has never recovered from. The kid only had his license one month and was "distracted" by his younger brother riding with him. People get "distracted" all the time by many different things, but only if they allow themselves to be "distracted". Being "distracted" is a human fault, it has nothing to do with talking hands free on a voice command device, it has nothing to do with listening to music, it has nothing to do with anything other than the people themselves. If you allow yourself to be "distracted", then yes you are a hazard to both yourself and others. While I do not agree with taking your hands off the wheel to do something stupid like texting or using an electronic device or anything else with your hands, I do believe that talking hands free with voice commands is not a "distraction". Unless of course like I said, you are a complete idiot and allow yourself to become "distracted".

on Dec 15, 2011

DrJBHL
It's always "the other guy", isn't it? "I can do it because I'm good, or do it rarely." Sort of like "I only drive under the influence rarely."

The fascinating thing in the research is that it isn't an "other guy" problem, it's individuals' ability to hold conflicting ideas. Most folks know that driving and talking or texting is dangerous, but many of those same folks do it anyway. Exactly like the kind of person who knows driving drunk is dangerous yet heads out for a cocktail party with no designated driver, taxi money, or bus fare.

WebGizmos
Used to be you'd never see an ad on tv for a phone of all things....now it's every other ad. And with all the texting and such on these phones people are becoming social misfits.
 

I'm patiently hoping for some new fads for things like "offline time with friends and family" to replace this thumb-fumbling mess. There was an encouraging story in the Times yesterday about young folks who shun Facebook: http://www.nytimes.com/2011/12/14/technology/shunning-facebook-and-living-to-tell-about-it.html  

on Dec 15, 2011

I agree with all points except......

In Illinois they passed a law prohibiting teens from texting. It has remained unenforced and unenforceable.

OnStar and other devices designed to be safely used while driving have more potential to save lives than to cause accidents.

Face it, if a driver can't hold a conversation, hands-free electronically or person to person within the vehicle without being dangerously distracted, they should park it or just duct tape their mouth shut shut before entering a vehicle.

There was a time Americas roads were actually safer due to on-board communications. Truck drivers with CB radios summoned police, assisted stranded motorists, advised drivers of road conditions ahead, gave directions, etc.  CB's had hand-held microphones but you never heard of anyone getting run over by a ratchet-jawed trucker on a CB. Training and focus on the task at hand(driving) helped assure that they would be home safely at the end of their run.

The sad fact is, generally speaking, peoples driving skills have been deteriorating to the point that things like air bags, rear view cameras and now auto-parking are needed to keep the incompetent from hurting themselves and others.

Shutting them up won't make anyone much safer.

 

 

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