Ramblings of an old Doc

 

What do Pepsico, Intel, Microsoft, Google (eBay), Paypal, Frito-Lay, various media companies (ESPN, CBS and A&E), The California Olive Ranch and HP have in common?

Don’t rack your brain for an answer – let them. LOL.

You’ll never guess, anyway. It’s too far ‘out there’.

These companies do a ‘unique brand’ of market research. It’s called neuromarketing.

Q - Where does modern neuromarketing exist?

A - At the very creation of an unconscious idea, in the 200 milliseconds of time between the instant your brain receives a stimulus and subconsciously reacts, and before the conscious mind does it’s thing and rationalizes, processes, etc.

It’s about getting your truest reaction to taste, sight, smell, touch and sound and then to crunch that data to produce things which they will tailor to fit your unspoken “gut” desires.

These corporations share the same goal: to mine your brain so they can blow you away with stuff you’ll find irresistible. They believe they can know you better than you know yourself. They do it by employing firms which use a few dandy gadgets to to watch the brain as it’s exposed to stimuli.

All you need is an fMRI (functional magnetic resonance imaging) machine, an EEG (electroencephalograph), and a video machine adapted to working in a magnetic field 60,000 times stronger than the earth’s magnetic field to detect how the brain ( in which different areas) utilize oxygen while being tasked with different stimuli (words, pictures, vids). Then, after running the test three times (to get reliable baseline and comparison results) a good picture can be put together of which advertising video will bring the best results for sales. You see, this is pushed as a means of making advertising (some 80% of which currently fails) more effective. Why not use the ultimate buzz word?  “Greener”.

So what?

Well, you as the target audience, have not been informed about this new form of subliminal suggestion. That minor ethical hiccup aside, the fact that this will become more and more employed, to get more ‘bang’ for the advertising buck is going on relatively unnoticed. I believe this article might help change that. Naïve, huh? I bet very few people will take the time to read it. I hope I’m proven wrong. I hope you start reading about this here and continue to research the topic. Make your voices heard.

Also, think about what this technique will mean when it is extended to the political arena. You rarely get the truth as it is. With this technique, the falsehoods will be tailored to be what you really wish to hear. You think this hasn’t happened? The head of one company stated it already has to help shape messages of one party in the 2010 midterm elections.

How about intelligence work, police and other interrogations? How about it being used to target potential scape goat groups when things go wrong and powerful need someone to blame?

All this from trying to understand how the brain works and machines designed to help people and ease suffering. I don’t know about you folks, but to me this comes as close to mind rape as you can get. Until the next “advance”.

Source: 

http://www.fastcompany.com/magazine/158/neuromarketing-intel-paypal

http://www.fastcompany.com/1772167/ak-pradeep-neurofocus

 

 


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on Aug 17, 2011

DrJBHL
I believe what they're doing is a breach of privacy through use of results on 'voluntary' (paid) test subjects who probably didn't know the true extent of the use of the results (unethical) and their use on us, and the breach of privacy comes from where that intrusion occurs in your mind.
The problem is, they are not intruding into your mind. They're intruding into someone else's mind after paying him/her to do so, and then trying to show you pretty pictures.

on Aug 17, 2011

After reading this and other threads in the forum, following pretty much the same theme, at the end of the day just where are we? 

I'm left with the deep seeded feeling of not trusting anyone, not reading anything, not looking at anything or listening, all because someone out there is seeking power in controlling me.

I thought I left that all behind when as a young man I left home never to return.

 

on Aug 17, 2011

Scoutdog
The problem is, they are not intruding into your mind.

That's like saying they tested the antibiotic on someone else, while you're taking it.

Surprise, but they're testing it on you, too, only more indirectly.

They are intruding into your mind by extension, and their hypothesis is that in those 200 ms your mind will give similar results. The fact you were not informed by them they're doing that is unethical as well.

on Aug 17, 2011

DrJBHL
their hypothesis is that in those 200 ms your mind will give similar results
Their hypothesis is wrong. And anybody who makes decisions based on an initial subconscious reaction is already absurdly vulnerable to regular advertising, political speeches, con men, and unusually-shaped bushes.

on Aug 17, 2011

So all this time, the voices in my head have been commercials??? 

on Aug 17, 2011

Scoutdog

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 33their hypothesis is that in those 200 ms your mind will give similar resultsTheir hypothesis is wrong. And anybody who makes decisions based on an initial subconscious reaction is already absurdly vulnerable to regular advertising, political speeches, con men, and unusually-shaped bushes.

In fact, their results are startling even so far as to detect the fundamental, cross cultural and racial differences between male and female thinking.

Their EEG work is so phenomenal that they're even working on EEG control of computers and a wheel chair (neone6 - that one was for you). I even wrote about that (wheel chair) before, and an Israeli company which was developing the software to do just that.

 

on Aug 17, 2011

DrJBHL
In fact, their results are startling even so far as to detect the fundamental, cross cultural and racial differences between male and female thinking.

Their EEG work is so phenomenal that they're even working on EEG control of computers and a wheel chair (neone6 - that one was for you). I even wrote about that (wheel chair) before, and an Israeli company which was developing the software to do just that.
That's incredibly different. Motor control versus decision-making, cerebellum versus cortex, massive ample sizes doing general things versus miniscule sample sizes doing specific things.

on Aug 17, 2011

DrJBHL
That's like saying they tested the antibiotic on someone else, while you're taking it.

Surprise, but they're testing it on you, too, only more indirectly.

That is why there are so many law suits about drugs.  They test them, but no 2 people are the same, so they will constantly refine it.

on Aug 17, 2011

Wizard1956
So all this time, the voices in my head have been commercials??? 

And here you thought you were having revelations!

on Aug 17, 2011

That's some weird scary shit Doc. 

 I couldn't help but think of that image when reading your post.

on Aug 18, 2011

Wizard1956
So all this time, the voices in my head have been commercials???

No.... you're just nuts

Funnily enough, though, I often hear people singing/whistling jingles from TV ads.................... BANG!!!!!!

Makes me wonder what's in their heads???  A classic rock tune, yeah... a great classical piece... yeah.

But a f**king commercial?    Nah!!!!!

Advertisers - like bankers - have a lot to answer for... and I mean A LOT

on Aug 18, 2011

Scoutdog
That's incredibly different. Motor control versus decision-making, cerebellum versus cortex, massive ample sizes doing general things versus miniscule sample sizes doing specific things.

Thanks. Never would have known.

This has to do (the OP) with the initial and 'honest' reaction to stimuli. And enough.

The wheel chair stuff I threw in for neone6, and also because scientists from one the companies doing this stuff are actually doing something good.

 

on Aug 18, 2011

Yikes.

I'm a cognitive scientist, and I have to put my two cents in, here. I can't help but think that your reaction is somewhat overblown. Advertisers have been using the principles of psychology to market things to you ever since Watson left the field for this line of work more than a half a century ago. I know that the idea that looking into the brain seems scary, but just remember that brain activity is only an intermediate step in the relationship between advertising and consumer behavior. And brain activity only matters inasmuch as it is able to explain and predict consumer behavior, which, again, advertisers have been doing for more than half a century.

This is not mind control, people. Am I honestly the only one that feels this way?

The arguement presented in the OP and in many of the replies can be debunked point-by-point with actual data, if anyone is interested.

on Aug 18, 2011

From everything I've read, it's not easily 'debunked'. From what I've read, their results sell products. I feel it's an unethical way to do it from reasons already cited. Those stem from medical ethics.

Nowhere have I stated there's 'mind control'. If you believe that, I certainly don't.

What I do believe is that these methods breach ethics since targeted audiences are unaware of the methods employed to produce the ads, and that these methods are effective. Look, if they weren't getting results, would these big selling companies be using them? I don't think so... simply because sales statistics would show them ineffective. That's just common sense. I'm not using 'post hoc ergo procter hoc' logic.

I'm just pointing up things that are happening and my own feelings about them. If you have concrete evidence that shows what I've read as incorrect, I'd be happy to read it. My mind isn't closed about this. I enjoy learning and I'd be glad to hear what you have to say about the processes used and their results.

About the ethics, I pretty much have decided, though. They aren't 'result oriented'.

on Aug 18, 2011

LightofAbraxas
The arguement presented in the OP and in many of the replies can be debunked point-by-point with actual data, if anyone is interested.
I'm interested. And I love data!

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