Ramblings of an old Doc
Published on May 19, 2011 By DrJBHL In Personal Computing

 

Toni Bowers (techrepublic) reports about Foxconn (in Shenzhen, PRC) where iPhones are made, there have been 11 suicides – workers jumping out of windows.

They’ve come up with a fix:

 

To be fair, they’re also upping wages by 50% and that action was accompanied by some long-term changes that the industrial giant’s leaders hope will change the lives and well-being of its employees before they get to the point of suicidal thoughts as well: They’ve also set up a ‘round the clock counseling center staffed by some 100 trained workers. I can’t tell whether there are psychologists in the center or not, but I’d think that would be appropriate.

Honestly? Wouldn’t you think they’d start getting active after the first or second? Can you imagine what the working conditions were?

“Foxconn made matters worse with a slow and initially clumsy response. In an exclusive interview with Bloomberg Businessweek, Gou conceded that he didn't immediately grasp the significance of the suicides. "I should be honest with you," he says. "The first one, second one, and third one, I did not see this as a serious problem. We had around 800,000 employees, and here [in Longhua] we are about 2.1 square kilometers. At the moment, I'm feeling guilty. But at that moment, I didn't think I should be taking full responsibility." After the fifth suicide, in March, Gou says, "I decided to do something different." – Terry Gou

Here’s some more inspiration from Mr. Gou:

Although drab and utilitarian, the campus is a fully functioning city, with fast-food joints, ATMs, Olympic-size swimming pools, huge LED screens that flash public-service announcements and cartoons, and a bookstore that sells, among other things, the Chinese-language translation of the Harvard Business Review. Prominent on display are biographies of Gou, one of which collects his many aphorisms, including "work itself is a type of joy," "a harsh environment is a good thing," "hungry people have especially clear minds," and "an army of one thousand is easy to get, one general is tough to find."- ibid

I guess he likes his folks to be really  joyful.

They’ve also engaged a firm (Bursen-Marstellar) to do PR work…. guess the image doesn’t sit well in the West. Mr. Guo amassed his estimated $9.5 billion dollar fortune from a $7,500 loan from his mom.

Link to the follow up article to this post.

Update (5.24.11): Plant Closed For Safety Inspection


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on May 19, 2011

Just image what you don't see.

This will change nothing. As soon as workers get more rights the company moves to a new country for fresh meat. So in effect if you change the conditions at that plant it will just move putting everyone there out of work. Maybe when they move they will take the nets with them so as not to have people dieing at the new plant.

on May 19, 2011

Why don't they just quit? What does killing yourself solve, that quitting does not?

on May 19, 2011

I mentioned this a few weeks ago....good old DeBono thinking....

Working conditions shit?  People suiciding off the roof?

Masters of lateral thinking install catch nets.

Ya gotta love Steve Jobs.

 

Jafo drowns in a pool of sarcastic vitriol ....

on May 19, 2011

on May 19, 2011

Work week cut to 60 hours? What was it at?

Wages increased 50%? What was the wage?

To think that I lost my job so my bosses could move it to China makes me sick. Did they lower the price of the product and pass those savings on to the consumer? Of course NOT.

The 14,000 dollar apple product price? That must be if they wanted to get a 1000% return on every penny? How do they factor that cost?

EDIT: I HAD TO POST IT 

on May 19, 2011

looks to me like Apple has gotten way beyond what M$ ever did... percentages of subscriptions sold thru apps, jeez... and where do you suppose the cost of all that ends up? Yep.. prices going up. The consumer pays more for the product due to "The Apple Middle Man".

I wonder if they get a cut of gravity? 

on May 19, 2011

myfist0
Work week cut to 60 hours? What was it at?

Wages increased 50%? What was the wage?

To think that I lost my job so my bosses could move it to China makes me sick. Did they lower the price of the product and pass those savings on to the consumer? Of course NOT.

The 14,000 dollar apple product price? That must be if they wanted to get a 1000% return on every penny? How do they factor that cost?

"According to Wolfram Alpha, the median American wage is $42,270 per year. That means each worker generally costs American employers about $15.57/hour. For the sake of this exercise, let’s leave out the high cost of benefits. Even so, the typical American worker makes 30 times more than the typical Foxconn worker.

The low-end iPad sells for $499. If it were built by Americans, it would have to cost $14,970. No one would buy an iPad for $14,970. No one would buy a mid-level laptop for $23,970. No one would buy a smartphone for $5,970."

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/government/is-apples-suicide-factory-outsourcing-to-even-cheaper-chinese-peasants/9537

If you are after some more info ... Hungry Beast always have source links.

http://hungrybeast.abc.net.au/sites/default/files/documents/Hungry%20Beast%E2%80%99s%20Apple%20Beastfile%20sources.pdf

on May 19, 2011

The nets don't have to go out that far.  The company can save a couple thousand dollars by cutting the length of the nets in half.  Suicidal people would have to climb on the roof and make a running start in order to kill themselves; that is highly unlikely.  The nets need only deter--not actually stop someone athletic and intent enough that they make a run for it.  If we cut the nets in half, I anticipate suicides will only go up by about 1 or 2 a year but we save $2000 in company costs.

 

on May 19, 2011

myfist0
EDIT: I HAD TO POST IT 

 

on May 19, 2011

myfist0
Work week cut to 60 hours? What was it at?

EDIT: I HAD TO POST IT 

 

Aaah the Elemental crunch we all heard about  

on May 19, 2011

As to your question of why they did nothing after the first couple - the answer is simple.  They saw no causality nor were they trained or conditioned to recognize such things.  In other words, if you are sitting down eating chocolate, are you really thinking of all the people that hate it?  In a totalitarian society like that, the people (to the rulers and managers) had everything.  So they had no conception there could be a problem - until the numbers started really climbing.

on May 19, 2011

So, I have to wonder if the people complaining about jobs going over seas actually take the price of a US made ipad in to consideration when they do.

Not that I am in favor of them going over seas, but unles they can justify a $14,000 price tag I have to wonder how these people will keep their jobs making products that obviously will not sell at such prices.

on May 19, 2011

You know, after reading this stuff I don't think I will ever buy another product made by Apple.  Sorry I bought my son an iPod for his birthday now.  This is one sick company for sure, and nothing but a bunch of greedy bastards are running it and/or it's subsidiaries.

Then again, so are 80% of the companies in the United States, outsourcing jobs to overseas!  Hell, you call Microsoft Tech Support and you get someone who cannot even speak English well in the Philippines or India, and they're yelling at there kids in the background while you attempt to get your issue resolved!  Sad, very sad...

on May 19, 2011

I've worked 60+ hours at a job and I was on salery, so my pay went dow every hour over 40.  Did that foe a year.  I never comtemplated killing myself.  So if they want to kill themselves, I say go ahead.  Less mouths to feed.  I know I have my own strange ways of thinking but who needs the weak minded, taking the easy way out.  Maybe if enough kill themselves things will change but they won't know it or get the benifit from it.  There are other ways to make changes.

on May 19, 2011

"Give me liberty or give me death."

This quote has been printed and reprinted in our books and other mind-conditioning items and sources.  Many actually find it inspiring...

But tell me, what liberty is there for those who live and die by the dollar?

-.-

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