Sure, we know that now. But then, hindsight is always 20/20.

I'd really kind of hoped that we could talk this out. I'd hoped that we could just agree that rape was criminal, but that our ideas about what constitutes a more severe and effective punishment differed, and leave it at that. But I can see from this that you're really just another enraged militarist who thinks that any problem can be solved with enough bullets. Which means that I can never really reach any kind of understanding with you. Yes, I'm a civilian. And I'm quite proud of that fact. As long as the military continues its pattern of "justice"-at-gunpoint and use of gratuitous force, I want nothing to do with them. And I can and will criticize those attitudes where I encounter them- not to try to convert the people spouting them, but to discredit those ideas in the eyes of others- something that, judging by the actions of jafo and others, has already more or less happened here. Therefore, I have nothing further to say here. Goodbye, and try not to get the thread locked.

Libya's internet and communications are gone. The soldiers are attacking citizens and some pilots have fled the country seeking asylum. EDIT: Looks like maybe not about comm. The news mentioned it but are not repeating it in the updates.

Despite others suggesting earlier that William Hague was off the mark in claiming that Muammar Gaddafi had fled to Venezuela, Libyan state television is now reporting that this is actually the case.

So what was/am I talking about? 150 years from now? Go back and read what I wrote.

Answering in order of bold text (mine):

Strange way to interpret what I wrote. I didn't expect any different from you, though. You have never lived there, never served, and your arguments are based on some thought that you, despite your lack of experience can convince me you are right. You can't, because I know better, and have lived it. I wish you could live in the Middle East before discussing it. I lived there 13 years (almost the time you've been on Earth). Since you're interested in name calling/labeling, we're done.

You're a 16 year old (per your profile) civilian that enjoys that status thanks to people in the military you despise who protect you.

Discredit what? That those swine would never have tried raping that woman if faced with determined defense? If that were your mother, wife, sister or daughter, you're telling me that were you to see them trying to rape her you wouldn't open fire if necessary? What would you do? Try to talk to them? You speak Arabic? Rapists don't need conversation, Scoutdog.

And what military "policy of justice at gunpoint"? I know of no such policy. Care to cite which order that comes under? Your preconception of what the military is or does is way wrong. Nor was I talking about anyone but me and my brothers in arms. No invasion or any other rhetoric so casually attributed and bandied about, here.

I literally care not is you stay or go, and I sinse I'm a moderator here, I doubt my words will get a thread locked.

Back to topic.

The "Kill Bill" (sorry, but I couldn't resist that one ) has been revamped.

A detailed article about that here: http://tinyurl.com/4zao5ta

 

What's with the tinyurl.com stuff? Do the forums have some technical limit that prevents you from giving us a direct link? I'm interested in the general subject, but not interested in being taken to unknown destinations to look at a background reference. When I want to ref what seems like an annoyingly-long URL, I just use some plain text (e.g. "here") for the link text and the long URL has always worked.

Now, if they could just turn off hatred, ignorance, and stupidity we might just get somewhere.

You don't trust me? Don't click the link.

And tiny url is different than "here"?  Oh yes. I forgot: There is something inherently more trustworthy about the word "here".

 

 

I can hover over "here" and see the address. I also don't click hidden URLs.  a good habit of even using google is to look at the sites address.

Okay then....  You can click HERE or http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20033717-281.html

Jeeze, that link is so long it runs across all three monitors onto the floor. I can see why it was made into a tiny url  .

Thanks Stant, going there now.

I love sarcasm. 

Dunno what all the fuss is about.  Seems no-one's got anything better to do.

Stardock's moderators can be trusted to post links which are not 'iffy'/whatever, no matter whether shortened or not....

Docs a moderator? Just shows member number to me. I dont care if my mother sent it or if they had a million karma, I will not click on hidden URLs. All the sites I belong to or visited I have never seen a moderator or and admin hide a URL. Post em all you want, its fine by me. I would not have mentioned it as I just generally just ignor them all but it was brought up and with all DOCs security posts and warnings I though he would know better.

Written during a commercial of typically really crappy TV.

EDIT: 

Phishers Using TinyURL to Divert Users to Malicious Sites 

or http://www.spamfighter.com/News-11896-Phishers-Using-TinyURL-to-Divert-Users-to-Malicious-Sites.htm

Oh, yes, Like Doc's going to post a thread about potential security issues and then rush off and endanger you.

What, to prove a point?

I personally cannot stand those ridiculously long links so services such as tinyurl are darn usefull....

I wouldn't even know where to begin with crap like that.....