Ramblings of an old Doc

 

In light of the recent events in Egypt where we saw an “Emergency Off Switch” used for the first time, my memory was jarred.

Last year, Senator Joe Lieberman (Independent, Connecticut) proposed just such a switch. He did so because of concerns regarding a cyberattack on the USA.

Just two hours ago, NYConvergence (a tech magazine for the NY, NJ and CT area) reported Sen. Lieberman wants to re-propose this legislation ( LINK ).

There are several ways to look at this: Security, freedom, abuse potential… and others.

I’d like to hear what you folks think: Do you favor an Internet “On-Off” switch? Under what conditions? Who should have that power and when? Who should be able to stop or review such a decision?


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on Feb 20, 2011

Skimming this thread I found only one person was possibly in favor of this kill switch, besides the op. That must be pretty disappointing...

on Feb 20, 2011

China didn't want a kill switch so much as a 'filter reality' switch....and Google gave it to them.....

Money talks.

on Feb 21, 2011

DrJBHL
sub humans

No wonder you are in favor of such measures as 'kill switch'.

on Feb 21, 2011

scratchthepitch
Skimming this thread I found only one person was possibly in favor of this kill switch, besides the op. That must be pretty disappointing...

Not at all. I only posed scenarios...

 

Quoting DrJBHL, reply 135sub humans

No wonder you are in favor of such measures as 'kill switch'.

Rapists are not "humans". Humans do not rape other humans. They are therefore "something else". OK..."Rock Spiders"-Is that more pleasing? (my apology to the actual rock spiders...they are what their rock spider mommies and daddies made them to be, and had no choice in the matter).

The 'kill switch' has nothing to do with terminating life. It was meant as a possible defensive method only. True, it might be a temptation for an up and coming dictator, but no one has told me yet how to prevent a 'lethal' cyberattack short of such a switch... If there's a better solution, I'm all for it.

on Feb 21, 2011

Yes, rapists are not humane.  But they are unfortunately, human.  But their value for society and for individuals is extremely low, so it's not good, for men especially, to support any of the social structures that make rape permissible (and in some places, likely).  Btw: support Scarleteen.com if you can, they are very much against willful violation like this.  The site has lots of useful and balanced information about sexuality, for people of all ages.

Best regards,
Steven.

on Feb 21, 2011

Sub humans is so polite.   Rape has nothing to do with sex. 

on Feb 21, 2011

Again to the switch off attack of the hocus-pocus theory: define lethal please...sorry since there simply is no lethal thing to it---lethality? The whole thing might be lethal in some other space dimension but on earth it would do absolutely bupkis .
This whole thing is only to scare people to get more power its logical how else would you describe it Doc? If there is anything lethal that could happen please explain what…also if they take the public net down...they would have to keep it down because as soon as it reboots the danger would be there again...Now imagine to have it removed for several month´s that’s like stealing an old man his beer from the fridge and thinking about that the television satellites could be also used for such an attack they would have to shut them down as well. And if you take a close look at how long it took those folks to actually shut the net down, ha-ha this is so hilarious i can’t stop giggling.
 I can already imagine the news before such a shut down: "This is Caroline Twatkins reporting live from ….. Dear Citizens today was the Day! Where some unknown Cyber-hacker attacked our S.Servers, but we will be able to stop the incoming attack by pulling the PLUG ! Television cellphones and the www. will be useless for several months as reported cause we don’t know how to stop the unknown attackers nether are we able to locate them by now. May God help…. (Kill switch is switched) AND THE RAGE BEGINS…

to take a statement at the raping I can understand Doc also… I would get those guys and close them up in the basement of a gay bar for local amusement. They would get sausage each day for breakfast dinner and lunch.( NOT BY ME !!!!)
But again a single Lady that has been raped? Wow the media has nothing better to do mhh? Also i dont know what this has to do with the switch thing? I mean it´s something serious and it should be reported but things like that happen all over the world on  a daily basis. We have far more important things to report about than a unwillingly butt plugged reporter. She choose her work therefore she knows the Dangers she might face sadly they came true. Google shows the sexual assault statistics worldwide so don’t get me wrong it happened it’s sad that they didn’t catch them but in the end we can’t undo what they did.

on Feb 21, 2011

You still don't seem to get it. The objective in that situation should not be revenge. It should be to eliminate the threat to the victim. You can do that with a simple "back off or I'll shoot", possibly, and if that doesn't work deliver a swift kick in some fleshy area. Then shoot- not to kill, but just to put the guy in a position where he can't make any more trouble for a while. That way, it's more clear to the nearby crowd that you are attacking the guy because he's a creep and a rapist, allows you to make sure that there is actually a gang-rape situation going on, and you get a real live rapist to parade around in front of the TV cameras for a while.

Going in guns blazing just makes it more likely that you'll hit the victim, some innocent bystander, or some other guy trying to help, not to mention the fact that you've just shot someone in a mob full of angry anti-government protesters. And if it turns out that you're mistaken and there really isn't an assault in progress, just some suspicious-looking jostling, well, then you've just shot an innocent man- and what does that make you?

That's exactly the problem with today's military. They just don't understand that sometimes less force is more effective.

on Feb 21, 2011

correct. beasts, foul vermin (sorry to give vermin a bad name).

 

on Feb 21, 2011

define lethal please

Killing the net for any period of time.

This whole thing is only to scare people to get more power its logical how else would you describe it Doc?

I don't think so. Egypt and Libya have done it (not to protect, rather to suppress), and in 2003 the net was seriously compromised by the Slammer Worm.

Others?  http://www.techvista.org/10-worst-computer-virus.html

 

If there is anything lethal that could happen please explain what…also if they take the public net down...they would have to keep it down because as soon as it reboots the danger would be there again...

http://drjbhl.joeuser.com/article/405247/Thats_Impossible

to take a statement at the raping I can understand Doc also… I would get those guys and hold them in the basement of a gay bar for amusement. They would get sausage each day for breakfast dinner and lunch.

inappropriate. Gay people had nothing to do with this violence and shouldn't be used as a token of "punishment". They really deserve better, don't you think?

But again a single Lady that has been raped? Wow the media has nothing better to do mhh? I mean it´s something serious and it should be reported but things like that happen all over the world on a daily basis. We have far more important things to report about than a unwillingly butt plugged reporter.

That is beyond 'wrong'. That is 'Just plain really wrong'. And reprehensible. So, violence to a human isn't newsworthy? How many does it take, then? Just so I get an idea of the value of a human.

She choose her work therefore she knows the Dangers she might face sadly they came true.

Oh. I get it. "She knew the dangers so she deserved it.". Great. Blame the victim.

You still don't seem to get it. The objective in that situation should not be revenge. It should be to eliminate the threat to the victim. You can do that with a simple "back off or I'll shoot", possibly, and if that doesn't work deliver a swift kick in some fleshy area. Then shoot- not to kill, but just to put the guy in a position where he can't make any more trouble for a while. That way, it's more clear to the nearby crowd that you are attacking the guy because he's a creep and a rapist, allows you to make sure that there is actually a gang-rape situation going on, and you get a real live rapist to parade around in front of the TV cameras for a while.

Probably because I'm so stupid. I have fought in wars, and if you think your nicely planned out scenario works, take it out for a spin. And just why would I feel the need to keep a rapist or 100 of them alive? What they do isn't called "parading" and I have NO desire to see what they actually do.

Going in guns blazing just makes it more likely that you'll hit the victim, some innocent bystander, or some other guy trying to help, not to mention the fact that you've just shot someone in a mob full of angry anti-government protesters.

Again: I didn't say to go in guns blazing. That's what you THINK I said. I said If I and my platoon were there, it would have had a radically different outcome. And that the victim would not have become the victim. That slime loses its courage looking down the barrel of a M16 or Tabor. And if they don't? So much the better. More O2 and food around for me and mine.

And if it turns out that you're mistaken and there really isn't an assault in progress, just some suspicious-looking jostling, well, then you've just shot an innocent man- and what does that make you?

That's exactly the problem with today's military. They just don't understand that sometimes less force is more effective.

The given was that IT DID HAPPEN. Therefore the ones who perpetrated it are NOT innocent. The problem with today's military is that people who haven't stood in combat boots nor stood in harm's way for their countrymen sit around being arm chair Generals. Why not volunteer for the military? See what it's like before you judge its shortcomings?

 

on Feb 21, 2011

I would just like to re-iterate, if you want to help make rape much less permissible, it would be great to support Scarleteen.com if you can.  I will certainly when I have a bit of spare cash.

support Scarleteen.com if you can, they are very much against willful violation like this.  The site has lots of useful and balanced information about sexuality, for people of all ages.

Best regards,
Steven.

on Feb 21, 2011


define lethal please

DrJBHL

Killing the net for any period of time.

Oh i thought you ment it the other way around in the beginning- true this would be leathal since crowds of raged people would go out there and that wouldnt be so nice to watch.


IIf there is anything lethal that could happen please explain what…also if they take the public net down...they would have to keep it down because as soon as it reboots the danger would be there again...


I understand how the slammer worm works but the whole idea isnt that easy to acomplish it would take infected provider-servers for the first, a router household that is infected cannot simply go to a diffrent router spot without having access to the actuall provider this would afford keys to send data from one spot to another and effect it.That sort of infectition would need the source to infect the routers quickly as possible since like in germany there is such a thing as hotline were you can call to check these issues also you would be able to see for yourself with a little knowledge if you can actually send packages and view that by send and loss statistics it would take time to define the actuall infection but this is nothing serious in my eyes. It would be more serious if something came through and made his way to some inportant server stations.Also i cant see any profit in doing such a thing for the attacker.so for me personaly this is unlikely to happen .Also this couldnt be stopped completely with shutting down the net since routers operate via cables that end at a powerstation the closet kind of lookin things wich are powered by electricity the virus/worm  could keep spreading once effected the provider. A shutdown would only minimize the threat not solve it.And taking this whole idea further,,, cutting electricity sounds more like a sort of internal firesale to me.So this plan would be more selfdestructing than saving.And the benefit of pulling something like this would be more likely to have a reason for for the public and military to claim war on other countrys without anyone knowing whats going on and who to blame...
DrJBHL

Inappropriate. Gay people had nothing to do with this violence and shouldn't be used as a token of "punishment". They really deserve better, don't you think?


i couldnt think of a better punishment, locking them up would be better ?
DrJBHL

That is beyond 'wrong'. That is 'Just plain really wrong'. And reprehensible. So, violence to a human isn't newsworthy? How many does it take, then? Just so I get an idea of the value of a human.


Of course it is worthy to mention but not to hype! Im just saying that this happens all around the world each DAY ! And while they report over a raped person another rape happens right away... the fact that they even make a report over such things is viewer quotes sadly.
All i tryd to say i there is kids starving to death each day why dont you see reports over them...the viewer isnt interested quotes would drop
Our media is full of nonsense its even corrupt sometimes to tell you a diffrent sort of story that actually happend just to push things up a notch.


DrJBHL

Oh. I get it. "She knew the dangers so she deserved it.". Great. Blame the victim. .


Im not blaming her i just think that she isnt the only person in the world that suffered a rape, sadly we cant change what happend.Also i dont want to fight argument over this ,this is off course something NO human should do especially if your a male.
 

on Feb 21, 2011

i couldnt think of a better punishment, locking them up would be better ?

No. Supporting them (food, health care, etc.) would be punishing us.

 

on Feb 21, 2011

Despite what the media would have you think, every little genuine, heartfelt good thing you do has an effect on the world as a whole, even if you can't see it from a macro level.  If you do something good for someone they appreciate it, *and* they can often be more able (and want) to do good things for other people too.  Every little drop adds up in the dam - the more there are, the better. (Although in Australia we've either been getting too much rain (floods) or not enough, hmm...)

Best regards,
Steven.

on Feb 21, 2011

StevenAus
Despite what the media would have you think, every little genuine, heartfelt good thing you do has an effect on the world as a whole, even if you can't see it from a macro level.  If you do something good for someone they appreciate it, *and* they can often be more able (and want) to do good things for other people too.  Every little drop adds up in the dam - the more there are, the better. (Although in Australia we've either been getting too much rain (floods) or not enough, hmm...)

Best regards,
Steven.

Indeed...the true meaning of karma.

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