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AI will require CPU POPCNT Support; SSE4.2 or SSE4a.
Published on February 17, 2024 By DrJBHL In Personal Computing

For a deep dive into the expected changes to Windows 11, here's an excellent article sent to me by my trusty source Hankers of the Frozen North. Thanks, buddy. You've inspired me in many ways, and have been a great mentor. I expanded on your tip because of the appearance of subsequent additional important articles quoted here.

The Windows 11's 24H2 Update will require hardware that supports POPCNT (SSE4.2 or SSE4a). I remember predicting in a prior article regarding W12, just this kind of turn of events just as W11 upgrade from W10 had requirements re chip, etc.

From the title, it's clear what that requirement is. If you update to 24H2 without your chip having the required instructions, your computer will crash on boot.

So, how to check if your computer's CPU can handle the 24H2 Update? Neowin published an article dealing with just that, although the gHacks article linked goes through the same explanation.

"Option 1: CPU-Z

Download CPU-Z from the official website, run it, and check the Instruction box. Look for SSE4A if you use an AMD processor and SSE4.2 if you use an old Intel chip.

CPU-Z app with some of instructions highlighted

Option 2: Official websites

Go to Settings > System > About and check the "Processor" box. If you use Intel, go to this website and search for your processor model. See the "Instruction Set Extension" and make sure it mentions SSE4.2.

Intel Ark with Intel SSE 42 instruction set highlighted

AMD does not have a single page where you can find specs for every chip the company ever released. Therefore, use third-party websites for CPU tracking, like TechPowerUP. Look for SSE4A in the list of supported instructions or instruction extensions.

Option 3: A simple third-party tool

Enthusiasts have already created apps that can let you run checks and see what specs are missing in your computer. This open-source utility with a witty name, WhyNotWinAI, can show you if your chip supports the POPCNT instruction. You can download it from GitHub for free. Look for the "CPU supports POPCNT instruction" line.

WhyNoWinAI app with the POPCNT instruction set highlighted

If your computer does not support the necessary instruction, this is the end of the road for you. With that said, we will have to wait for the official Windows 11 24H2 release to see if the change sticks around. Meanwhile, you can learn how to install Windows 11 on unsupported hardware using our guide."

Taras Buria, Neowin

 

If your computer's CPU does not fulfill the POPCNT demand, I'd strongly advise not doing the update. Of course, we can expect hackers to try to bypass this requirement, but I would not place much faith in assurances (theirs or others) that their hack will work, because this requirement is quoted as being not bypassable.

Have a great weekend, folks. Here's mine...with the required SSE4.2 as my CPU is Intel.

                                                         


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on Feb 18, 2024

3java3

well, since I have a Intel Core 15 4590 running at 3.3 ghz.........I'm stuck on Win 10. And that's ok. I'm quite happy with Windows 10, version 1903. I don't really feel the need to update. 

This is an example of a perfectly fine processor. I believe it beats the newer Intel Celeron cpu's by a pretty large margin. The funny thing is the Celeron chips are clear to run 24h2.

Edit - it does look that your cpu is clear to run 24h2 without the new boot crash error. It would still requires a few security checks to be bypassed... Basically nothing will change at all with this cpu between now and 24h2.

on Feb 18, 2024

Too many times on the net and in forums, the phrase "It Can Not Be Done" is bandied around, then later a fix or workaround in published and all of a sudden "It Can Be Done". POPCNT will be no different. The Article Itself Says "unless they figure out a way to bypass the POPCNT requirement as well." This will happen, and the reason i am so sure is because its happened before, not once but multiple times. Time will tell on this one, just like it did previously.

on Feb 18, 2024

3java3

well, since I have a Intel Core 15 4590 running at 3.3 ghz.........I'm stuck on Win 10. And that's ok. I'm quite happy with Windows 10, version 1903. I don't really feel the need to update. 

Windows 10 - 1903 reached end of service on Dec. 8, 2020. You should at least consider updating to Windows 10 - 19045, so that your machine is protected with security updates. Just sayin'...

on Feb 18, 2024

Perhaps. Thing is, I like the transparency, the fluent design of the old "Edge" browser. I don't use the new Edge that is based on Chrome. I have a rotation of various browsers, Firefox, Brave and Vivaldi, and to a lesser extent, Pale Moon. And Epic is another. Would be nice to have the weather on the taskbar though. Part of me is a little concerned because in the past I have updated, and got hit with the pinwheel of death that I was afraid was going to brick one of my laptops that I don't really use anymore. Could be that I updated too soon, wheras now that update has been out for quite a while, and there should be no bugs or problems or issues. Perhaps you are right. 

on Feb 18, 2024

3java3

Perhaps you are right.

Actually, he's definitely correct. Using old/not updated software is a rather large vulnerability in your security.

on Feb 18, 2024

naroon1

Too many times on the net and in forums, the phrase "It Can Not Be Done" is bandied around

Bob Pony is a recognized Windows expert.

Again: This PopCnt instruction problem (which is not bypassable) affects very old CPUs - 14 years old or more. The vast majority of computers in use today won't have problems updating to 24H2.

on Feb 18, 2024

Uh oh. Decided to update to 22H2, but it seems to be stuck at 94%  installed. I sure hope I don't get that "loop" problem, and have to take this pc to a computer store to fix. Not blaming anyone else, ok? It was my decision to upgrade. 

on Feb 18, 2024

3java3

Uh oh. Decided to update to 22H2, but it seems to be stuck at 94%  installed. I sure hope I don't get that "loop" problem, and have to take this pc to a computer store to fix. Not blaming anyone else, ok? It was my decision to upgrade. 

Hopefully it will finish, However it shouldn't take more than an hour. You are updating from 1903 to 22H2 which will require a lot of changes. Sometimes Cumulative updates seem like they're stuck, but at 94% it's probably writing all your info from 1903 so you can roll back if you decide.

If it takes longer than an hour, it's probably stuck. Try rebooting and see if it finishes. If not, cancel the update and use the Windows 10 - 22H2 ISO.

Here is a link to the Windows 10 - 22H2 Media Creation Tool from which you can create an ISO.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-in/software-download/windows10

 

on Feb 18, 2024

The update is done. I am now running Windows 10 22H2, and everything is working fine, as before. So far I don't notice much of a change, other than having news and interests on the taskbar. That and Edge is different, and Edge is not as nice looking as before, but oh well. I wasn't even using the old Edge very much. I tend to go back and forth between Vivaldi and Brave. Thanks, DrJBHL for your input. The update was long overdue! 

on Feb 18, 2024

Glad everything worked out for you. Vivaldi is my main browser also. I’ve been using it since version 1.

on Feb 18, 2024

My pc is new enough to run 24h2.. But I am tempted to get a new pc anyways. The AI chipped processor might actually be the future afterall.

It is capable of doing a lot more then just copilot, it is technology that runs AI processes in general. One of the interesting new things Microsoft just announced is ai powered super resolution for games.

I definitely will be watching this tech pretty close... It may actually be a good year to by a new pc even without Microsoft gimmick to sell hardware.

on Feb 18, 2024

3java3

Thanks, DrJBHL for your input. The update was long overdue!

Welcome, my friend. Glad it didn't jam you up.  

on Feb 19, 2024

DrJBHL


Quoting naroon1,

Too many times on the net and in forums, the phrase "It Can Not Be Done" is bandied around



Bob Pony is a recognized Windows expert.

Again: This PopCnt instruction problem (which is not bypassable) affects very old CPUs - 14 years old or more. The vast majority of computers in use today won't have problems updating to 24H2.

I do not doubt your source Doc, but my Dilemma is my source, not just a computer Expert, but an Actual Dev Working For MS, who informs me "All System Files Can Be Edited". Time will tell on this one, like it did with the last big MS screw up that was not liked, and the one before that too.

on Feb 19, 2024

"Pony's findings confirm that this new instruction is not only required, but it is vital to 24H2's functionality. This is the first major requirement that apparently cannot be bypassed by any means. TPM and Secure Boot can still be bypassed, but not PopCnt." - Tom's Hardware.

SD also is strongly opposed to "edited"/hacked/pirated, etc. software. So again, don't pursue that topic.

on Feb 19, 2024

Another reason to switch to linux...

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