Ramblings of an old Doc

 

Interesting…first, what does Brave browser do?

“The browser's revenue model, Eich explained nearly three months ago, was based on ad blocking. Brave will scrub websites of most of their ads and all tracking, then replace those now-empty slots with ads it sells. Seventy percent of the revenue from Brave's ad sales would be shared with publishers (55%) and users (15%). The latter will be able to turn that money -- in Bitcoin form -- over to their favorite sites or keep it. Brave will retain 15%, with the remaining 15% going to advertising partners.” – Computerworld

The publishers…representing more than 1,700 newspapers here in the USA say that is indistinguishable from theft, and in the cease-and-desist letter, promised to take legal action if Brave persisted:

"Your plan to use our content to sell your advertising is indistinguishable from a plan to steal our content to publish on your own website [emphasis in original]," lawyers for 17 publishers wrote in a letter to Brave Software's founder and CEO, Brendan Eich. – ibid

Eich also stated that browsers do not republish anything…and that’s true.

"If it were the case that Brave's browsers perform 'republication,' then so too does Safari's Reader mode, and the same goes for any ad-blocker-equipped browser, or the Links text-only browser, or screen readers for the visually impaired," the company said. "We sympathize with publishers concerned about the damage that pure ad blockers do to their ability to pay their bills via advertising revenue. However, this problem long pre-dates Brave." – Eich

The problem centers around revenue, advertising revenue and ad blocking. Many sites refuse you access if you’re using ad blockers. Eich’s browser may well find itself blocked as well. He states his browser will save the web…for a fee. He says you’ll get a cut. But you’ll pay more for goods and services, because of it and because he’ll tell the advertisers that he’s making sure their ads remain malware free. That’s exactly what any corporation with stockholders does, namely providing goods/services for a fee and calls it “dividends”. Stockholders get the dividends but pay more for the goods/services as a result.

Anyway, I think it’s an interesting issue.

Your thoughts?

Source:

http://www.computerworld.com/article/3054032/web-browsers/us-newspapers-threaten-to-sue-brave-browser-maker-over-ad-blocking-scheme.html


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on Apr 10, 2016

Hehe, how funny this is.  I for one don't go to a site to look at the ad's, I go to look for whatever I went there for.  If the ad doesn't do  something moronic like flashes, I generally don't see it.  So I wouldn't know what ad's were hijacked.  So its not browser hijacking its site changing.  I'am quite sure that will be illegal.  If it was my site, I wouldn't want my content changed.

on Apr 10, 2016

Once again. To me it smacks of a protection racket.

Site owners can block access to their sites to browsers using ad blockers, and do (check out Forbes). They can probably do the same just as easily to Brave.

However, Brave really isn't really pirating nor is it hijacking. 

A website can demand due diligence and refuse advertising which is not screened for malware (malvertising - which volume wise is the huge part of malwaree on the web).

They don't because they want every bit of advertising, no matter from where or how, as fast as they can get it. The fact they have no standards, and the fact ad services have no standards is hardly a comfort when you get hit with redirecting and malware any more than security defects in plugins or extensions and in TLS/SSL protocols.

If they did their due diligence, Brave would never have happened. Eich figured a way to profit from the negligence of others. You (and I) may not like it for different reasons. I think it opens site owners to a kind of extortion. Worse, now that Brave exists, even if site owners and ad services do their due diligence, unless they block Brave from their sites (which hurts them as well), they have no recourse.

The remuneration Brave users get is truly a pittance...perhaps one cup of Starbuck's (or tenbuck's) per month, if that.

on Apr 10, 2016


How the fuck does some Pirating inserter of site advertising content benefit the site?

How many counter arguments does it take to get Jafo to drop the F-Bomb?

 

Sorry, I couldn't resist.

I can see both sides of this argument and am inclined to lean towards the lagal points that Jafo is pointing out, but my gut says they will settle all of this long before it reaches a courtroom for argument.

on Apr 10, 2016

Point of note, unless there is a secret perk of being an admin, outside of WC we only show a single first-party ad for stardock products, which (being from us) we can guarantee is safe (and costs us nothing to show).

 


It's virus-free? Wow. But how does a site VET the content being [oh god I almost said 'hijacked'] inserted without consent 'onto' the site - whether virus free or not?

You can make that argument when they start vetting ads from the major ad networks, or only use first-party ads. Since they don't (won't) do it now, the fact that they can't when a user is using a browser they got specifically for that purpose isn't much of an argument.

Realistically, 'pay to remove ads' is not a good business model. People can get that for free, and so long as 1) their security is at risk because businesses refuse to take responsibility and 2) business are using public or consumer-paid resources to deliver said advertising, then consumers are under no obligation to receive those ads.

Successful models involve selling something that people can't get elsewhere, or doing it more conveniently. For example a TV streaming site that releases episodes to non-subscribers on a one-week delay, but simulcasts for subscribers.

 

To the topic, free ad-supported newspapers are already a dying model. Most of those primarily republish stories from AP and such, and aren't actually doing much if anything that anyone would pay for. Others who do produce a lot of new content are putting up paywalls rather than ads; they didn't survive for decades or more already by giving their content away for free after all.

 

 

on Apr 10, 2016

Lets stop calling this browser hijacking and call it advertisement hijacking, or ad hijacking for short. The deliberate effort to remove ads and replace them. Typically done by a 3rd party to change the ads that a website shows and what the user sees. You still get to go to the website you want to go, its only the advertisements that are different.

on Apr 10, 2016

How many counter arguments does it take to get Jafo to drop the F-Bomb?

 

Less if he's arguing with me.

 

It's not hijacking because you chose to install the browser that hijacks the webpages.  It is however exactly the same in functionality as hijackers.  There are way more URL's in a page these days than the one listed on your address bar, and this browser is replacing those advertisement inserts with it's own.  Not every hijacker has a page redirect, the clever ones do this very thing, stealthily inserting their own advertising to avoid being noticed.  From anyone but the user's perspective, it's no different than any other malware.

on Apr 10, 2016

So, I decided to give a screen shot of the homepage before logging in.

Seeing SD's ad... With "Replace", and "Block all ads" on in settings.

 

on Apr 10, 2016

psychoak

It's not hijacking because you chose to install the browser that hijacks the webpages. 

There's the logic....it isn't hijacking because it's hijacking.....

But at least psychoak's understanding where I'm coming from....

on Apr 10, 2016

Firstly, Po, you are THAT fucking awesome!  Classic humor there.

 

Secondly, being a redneck, all I got is a response to the OP Title.  Albeit corny as hell.

 

"Newspapers threatening to sue Brave Browser"      They don't care, because they're.....

 

 

Wait for it......

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BRAVE

on Apr 10, 2016

Effin spoiler code NOT working.....   

on Apr 10, 2016

RedneckDude

Effin spoiler code NOT working.....   

Yes it is...

on Apr 10, 2016



Quoting RedneckDude,

Effin spoiler code NOT working.....   



Yes it is...

Someone hijacked it. 

on Apr 10, 2016

Hankers

Someone hijacked it.

ROFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!   

 

I see it is, but it wasn't when I typed it. Guess it takes a sec...  

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