2of3 can you send me one of those tinfoil hats, I've lost mine!!!

The truth is that Apple is listening to you, and this time, they're not thinking about privacy.

Borg999

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The truth is that Apple is listening to you, and this time, they're not thinking about privacy.

I doubt that it's just Apple.  Given to corporate clamour to collect everybody's last dollar, it's reasonable to think that Microsoft and others are doing it as well.  I mean, why wouldn't manufacturers and telcos eavesdrop to collar more sales, corral more bucks?

If one uses their phone primarily as a phone, which I do - and as a MP# player sometimes - I think... well hope that you're reasonably safe, given that it's an offence to tap/listen into phone conversations without a warrant.   I think it's when users turn to various apps as a means of communication, like through Facebook and the various messenger apps, is when the big corporates know they can eavesdrop with impunity.... after all those communications are not covered by the same kind of legislation as phone communications are.

Yup: "Look, we'll give you all these wonderful new apps on your phone that will do all sorts of wonderful things for you... what you don't know is that you'll sacrifice your privacy and security by using them."

I think that about covers it.

Borg999

reply 18

The truth is that Apple is listening to you, and this time, they're not thinking about privacy.

I doubt that it's just Apple.  Given the corporate clamour to collect everybody's last dollar, it's reasonable to think that Microsoft and others are doing it as well.  I mean, why wouldn't manufacturers and telcos eavesdrop to collar more sales, corral more bucks?

If one uses their phone primarily as a phone, which I do - and as a MP3 player sometimes - I think... well hope that you're reasonably safe, given that it's an offence to tap/listen into phone conversations without a warrant.   I think it's when users turn to various apps as a means of communication, like through Facebook and the various messenger apps, is when the big corporates know they can eavesdrop with impunity.... after all those communications are not covered by the same kind of legislation as phone communications are.

Yup: "Look, we'll give you all these wonderful new apps on your phone that will do all sorts of wonderful things for you... what you don't know is that you'll sacrifice your privacy and security by using them."

I think that about covers it.

......I know how that feels. 

The barrier on listening to everyone 24/7 is that it's a colossal waste of bandwidth and monitoring resources, never mind that it's illegal.  The cost probably far outweighs any monetary pick me up they'd get from selling whatever information they managed to glean before someone discovered the invasion and the company went bankrupt from the resulting class action lawsuit while the executives all went to prison.

Are they data mining the messaging service?  Quite possible.  If someone's going to hear you having sex because your phone is in the same room, it's either the NSA doing it, or there's a major criminal case in someone's future.

In my case that'd be a major waste of bandwidth.... given how many years they'd be waiting.

Substantial Resources? A few servers pulling key words and matching it with an advertiser. That's fairly low cost compared to potential ad revenue, -  and executives only go to prison in extreme circumstances. Most are able to hide behind the corporate veil, or at worst go to a minimum security prison for 6 months. And the corp might pay a de-minimis fine and write it off as a cost of doing business. Then do it again in 6 months.

For mine, they should go to hard-core prisons where there's a 'Bad Boy Bubba' on every cell block... where there's two in the showers and NO soap-on-a-rope.

The primary revenue for a phone company isn't advertising, it's selling bandwidth.  For a server to be pulling key words, the server has to be transferring all those key words.  If they do it at your cost, you'll soon notice that your monthly data limit gets burned up in a few days without you using it.  If they do it at theirs, they'll eat into their profit margin far more than data mining is likely to pay for.  There is no scenario they get this done efficiently without making it immediately obvious.

Mass wiretapping violations by illegally monitoring your cellular customers isn't even in the same ballpark as insider trading.  These aren't minor crimes, they're felonies that come with a five year sentence and a $250,000 fine for every instance.  Insider trading isn't even illegal on it's face, one of the problems with the view that executives get away with things is that many of the "crimes" they've supposedly committed aren't actually crimes.

As a member of a company, it is your prerogative to dump your stock at any time, based on inside information that you have of that company.  What is not legal is if you share that insider information with someone else so they can dump theirs.  All these fat cats that bail out of a company on the way down aren't breaking any laws by doing so.  They're only breaking laws if they falsify the information going out to the public, or committing any number of other white collar crimes.  People that went to prison at companies like Enron and Worldcom were indicted for actual fraud, things like cooking the books to hide falling revenues, resulting in false financial statements to the SEC.

Going to a minimum security prison isn't because they're rich either, it's because they're non-violent and the only real concern we have while keeping them locked up is that they'll get bored and off themselves one night by hanging themselves with their own bed sheet.  According to Wikipedia, Bernard Ebbers is serving more time, at the same prison, than a would be presidential assassin, a hacker that stole tens of millions in wire and credit card fraud, and an eco terrorist that firebombed a university.  A great many violent criminals have gotten a lot less than the 25 years he did, including child molesters, rapists, and murderers.  All he did was preside over a bit of white collar book cooking.

Of course...I'd have that as the benchmark...and have the others who are 'worse' simply executed.

...and I'd have the members of the parole board added to the list when a parolee re-offended.

Simple.

[keeps the incarcerated population 'manageable', too]...

So, we simply execute those accused of "worse".... actually guilty or not ?

Better still, YOU are wrongly accused of "WORSE".  Are YOU gonna be happy/willing to lose YOUR life because an overworked, ineffiecient legal system got it wrong?  So before you think it's okay to summarily execute a person who has been accused of worse, just think about how many times 'we' got it wrong, and that you wouldn't want to be that innocent man before the firing squad/executioner.

So, nobody ever lied to you to get their own way.... and succeeded?  And don't say it never happened.  We've ALL been duped at some time or another.

IF the world was just black AND white, maybe, just maybe we could be so certain and resolute regarding decisions about life and death.

Thing is, the world is more than 50 shades of grey... along with blues, reds, greens and other colours of the rainbow.... and certainity is not that easy because to err is human... and tell me who runs the courts, cos it sure ain't cats or dogs.  No, it's humans.... and humans fuck up/get it wrong all the time.

The thing about it is, it's just too much data, yes you can collect it all, but you can't (yet) store it all in any economical fashion.  Privacy zealots can rest easy, no one cares about you enough to pay for the storage unless you're a clear threat.