Ramblings of an old Doc

 

FRT (facial recognition technology) used to be slow and clumsy. Machines, slower. Not so anymore, especially when augmented by Cloud resources.

So, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration put together businesses and consumer groups to avoid legislation, which could be dicey. Those talks have fallen apart over “informing consumers and obtaining permission to use” this FRT.

“The talks have covered a range of issues dealing with how companies store, use and share information they've gathered by using facial recognition, whether from photographs such as on social media sites, or from images captured by security cameras.” – infopackets

Well, both sides have viable points here, and I’m not advocating one or the other. A good starting point in understanding some of the issues can be found here. The consumer advocate groups (nine in number: American Civil Liberties Union; Center for Democracy & Technology; Center for Digital Democracy; Alvaro M. Bedoya, the executive director of the Center on Privacy & Technology at Georgetown University Law Center; Consumer Action; Consumer Federation of America; Consumer Watchdog; Common Sense Media; and Electronic Frontier Foundation) have withdrawn from talks conducted over the past 16 months.

The make or break appears to be explicit permission:

“[but] the privacy advocates said they were giving up on talks because they could not achieve what they consider minimum rights for consumers — the idea that companies should seek and obtain permission before employing face recognition to identify individual people on the street.

“At a base minimum, people should be able to walk down a public street without fear that companies they’ve never heard of are tracking their every movement — and identifying them by name — using facial recognition technology,” the privacy and consumer groups said in a statement. “Unfortunately, we have been unable to obtain agreement even with that basic, specific premise.” – NYT

One industry spokesperson stated that they would proceed to work out a policy with or without the consumer protection groups. Ho hum. The current administration has already come down on the side of more protection for the public and consumers regarding privacy issues (while not securing vital info on millions of Federal gov’t. workers…lol). Also, Texas and Illinois have passed state laws requiring companies to notify people and obtain their permission before taking facial scans or sharing their biometric information.

“Mr. Bedoya said consumer advocates were troubled by the possibility that the federally convened face recognition discussions could end up endorsing an industry code of conduct that undermined those state laws.

“The message sent is clear,” he said in an email. “If you are a consumer, and you want better privacy laws, you should call your state legislator and head to your state capitol. Just don’t come to Washington, D.C.” –ibid

As we all become naught more than commodities and privacy? Puhleeeze.

Sources:

https://www.infopackets.com/news/9610/facial-recognition-should-permission-be-required

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/consumer-groups-back-out-of-federal-talks-on-face-recognition/


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on Jun 29, 2015

Blaze of Glory


Quoting DrJBHL,






Quoting Blaze of Glory,



I say we have live tracking of our politicians and bureaucrats first. You know, proof of concept. Bet that will stop this in its awful track! 



Just like they're the first to have to get Obamacare, right?

Ever read Orwell's "Animal Farm"?

 



Yes. "Some are more equal than others" constantly comes to mind.

 

Yes, and the sad thing is, it really applies to ALL types of government, not just 'communism.'

on Jun 29, 2015

I've always been more equal than everybody else, it just that folks don't know it cos my crown was lost down a drain to never be retrieved again.

 

on Jun 30, 2015

Cap'n pullin' rank? 

on Jun 30, 2015

starkers

I've always been more equal than everybody else, it just that folks don't know it cos my crown was lost down adrain to never be retrieved again.

"Crowned" indeed, you card.

 

on Jun 30, 2015

No, Doc, my crown was like that, but in black, orange and yellow

And you got the tutu wrong as well.  Mine's lilac with silver sequins.

on Jun 30, 2015

As we all become naught more than commodities and privacy?
From http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/06/04/the-right-to-read-is-the-right-to-mine-tdm/ posting to: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/06/01/the-right-to-read-is-the-right-to-mine/

The language here is homogenous to BIG DATA's mantra that all collection of data is at its core information, and as such ultimately represents FACTS as defined by nonintellectual property when used for "RESEARCH" - or, OPEN CONTENT MINING.  The notion is that as a pedestrian in a crowd our facial characteristics are non-identifiable information unless associated with our IDENTITY?

Definition

‘Open Content Mining’ means the unrestricted right of subscribers to extract, process and republish content manually or by machine in whatever form (text, diagrams, images, data, audio, video, etc.) without prior specific permissions and subject only to community norms of responsible behaviour in the electronic age.

  • Text
  • Numbers
  • Tables: numerical representations of a fact
  • Diagrams (line drawings, graphs, spectra, networks, etc.): Graphical representations of relationships between variables, are images and  therefore may not be, when considered as a collective entity, data.  However, the individual data points underlying a graph, similar to tables, should be.
  • Images and video (mainly photographic)- where it is the means of expressing a fact?
  • Audio: same as images – where it is expresses the factual representation of the research?
  • XML:  Extensible Markup Language (XML) defines rules for encoding documents  in a format that is both human-readable and machine-readable.”<
  • Core  bibliographic data: described as “data which is necessary to identify  and / or discover a publication” and defined under the Open Bibliography  Principles.
  • Resource  Description Framework (RDF): information about content, such as  authors, licensing information and the unique identifier for the article.

We are to accept that we are just DATA.

Definition

‘Open  Content Mining’ means the unrestricted right of subscribers to extract,  process and republish content manually or by machine in whatever form  (text, diagrams, images, data, audio, video, etc.) without prior  specific permissions and subject only to community norms of responsible  behaviour in the electronic age.

  • Text
  • Numbers
  • Tables: numerical representations of a fact
  • Diagrams (line drawings, graphs, spectra, networks, etc.): Graphical  representations of relationships between variables, are images and  therefore may not be, when considered as a collective entity, data.  However, the individual data points underlying a graph, similar to  tables, should be.
  • Images and video (mainly photographic)- where it is the means of expressing a fact?
  • Audio: same as images – where it is expresses the factual representation of the research?
  • XML:  Extensible Markup Language (XML) defines rules for encoding documents  in a format that is both human-readable and machine-readable.”<
  • Core  bibliographic data: described as “data which is necessary to identify  and / or discover a publication” and defined under the Open Bibliography  Principles.
  • Resource  Description Framework (RDF): information about content, such as  authors, licensing information and the unique identifier for the article
- See more at: http://blog.okfn.org/2012/06/01/the-right-to-read-is-the-right-to-mine/#sthash.G02Al2Lf.dpuf
on Jun 30, 2015

I apologize in advance. Haven't had time to read all the responses.

It is my understanding that facial recognition software currently developed by the US Gov is very poor to say the least and far far from any type of civil liberty threat.  

Is there facial recognition software in development in the civilian community that actually works?

For instance, something that can take images from open sources (for the most part) and determine where that specific face has been before or currently?

 


on Jul 02, 2015

One of the 'gotcha' aspects of the coming ubiquitous use of facial rec tech is the ability of stores, malls, and other public/private spaces is to have in their permission to use/enter docs a statement to the affect: "Anyone who comes onto this private property known as <fill in name of your fav store / shopping mall / auto repair shop> grants the rights of owner / and associates to use face rec tech on you, and data mine, etc. 

We have already seen this happening with other tech.  Like continuing to use certain web based payment services requires you to consent to receiving robot phone calls and automated texts on your cell phone.  An earlier incarnation of this insatiable hunger for all the data about you happened when you went to a retail store, and during/after transaction, the clerk began hammering you to buy more, give more data, join this or that 'club' etc.  And when you nicely ask them to cease and desist, they respond, "I'm only doing my job, you want to get me fired?'  Talk about indentured servant/clerks feeling compelled to use guilt tripping on customers, perhaps feeling afraid they will actually lose their subsidence level wages. Even common courtesy has gone out the window, the customer is NOT always right, the customer is an appendage to the mostly automated wealth generating cyborgs-systems serving the owners.  Remember the movie, 'Sneakers."  It was prophetic, and dead on. 

on Jul 02, 2015

Everybody and their mother is already out there like it or not. Can't do much more than bitch about it.

on Jul 02, 2015


Everybody and their mother is already out there like it or not. Can't do much more than bitch about it.

I'm doing more than bitch about it, I'm point blank refusing to go into stores using it.  Currently there are three major chain stores I discovered that are using it: I've since boycotted one, and the other two I never enter anyhow.... both have shitty retail practices I cannot abide by.

Yeah, I know, my shopping ability will decrease as more stores employ FRT, but if more people protest it with closed wallets, the better it will be for all.  Trouble with that is, too many people are too complacent and/or don't care less.... which is why we're all getting screwed.

on Jul 03, 2015

@starkers   people who 'boycott' those retail establishments also need to inform the store / owners of the 'why' of it... otherwise, it might not get on their radar.

 

on Jul 03, 2015

It will take a lot of people to make the boycott effective. One person would hardly make a difference.

on Jul 03, 2015

ElanaAhova

@starkers   people who 'boycott' those retail establishments also need to inform the store / owners of the 'why' of it... otherwise, it might not get on their radar.

 

Yeah, I ring 'em up and let 'em have it.  Some store managers are apologetic and say it's company policy, not his/hers; some just don't seem to care, and others don't have a clue what I'm talking about, thinking it was merely a store security upgrade and nothing so sinister.

One store manager wasn't interested in my complaint or ideas.... telling me to eff off before hanging up in my ear.  His head office was immediately notified and I was assured he would be dealt with, since it was the second such complaint of his being offensive, etc.


It will take a lot of people to make the boycott effective. One person would hardly make a difference.

Precisely, which is why I said above that others need to close their wallets and say why.  I doubt too many will, though.  So many are offended, etc, but most are too piss weak to stand up and be counted. which is why so many corporations get away with evil crap... they know only a minority will speak up and that it will make little to no difference.

on Jul 04, 2015

"Exactly.

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