Ramblings of an old Doc

 

FRT (facial recognition technology) used to be slow and clumsy. Machines, slower. Not so anymore, especially when augmented by Cloud resources.

So, the National Telecommunications and Information Administration put together businesses and consumer groups to avoid legislation, which could be dicey. Those talks have fallen apart over “informing consumers and obtaining permission to use” this FRT.

“The talks have covered a range of issues dealing with how companies store, use and share information they've gathered by using facial recognition, whether from photographs such as on social media sites, or from images captured by security cameras.” – infopackets

Well, both sides have viable points here, and I’m not advocating one or the other. A good starting point in understanding some of the issues can be found here. The consumer advocate groups (nine in number: American Civil Liberties Union; Center for Democracy & Technology; Center for Digital Democracy; Alvaro M. Bedoya, the executive director of the Center on Privacy & Technology at Georgetown University Law Center; Consumer Action; Consumer Federation of America; Consumer Watchdog; Common Sense Media; and Electronic Frontier Foundation) have withdrawn from talks conducted over the past 16 months.

The make or break appears to be explicit permission:

“[but] the privacy advocates said they were giving up on talks because they could not achieve what they consider minimum rights for consumers — the idea that companies should seek and obtain permission before employing face recognition to identify individual people on the street.

“At a base minimum, people should be able to walk down a public street without fear that companies they’ve never heard of are tracking their every movement — and identifying them by name — using facial recognition technology,” the privacy and consumer groups said in a statement. “Unfortunately, we have been unable to obtain agreement even with that basic, specific premise.” – NYT

One industry spokesperson stated that they would proceed to work out a policy with or without the consumer protection groups. Ho hum. The current administration has already come down on the side of more protection for the public and consumers regarding privacy issues (while not securing vital info on millions of Federal gov’t. workers…lol). Also, Texas and Illinois have passed state laws requiring companies to notify people and obtain their permission before taking facial scans or sharing their biometric information.

“Mr. Bedoya said consumer advocates were troubled by the possibility that the federally convened face recognition discussions could end up endorsing an industry code of conduct that undermined those state laws.

“The message sent is clear,” he said in an email. “If you are a consumer, and you want better privacy laws, you should call your state legislator and head to your state capitol. Just don’t come to Washington, D.C.” –ibid

As we all become naught more than commodities and privacy? Puhleeeze.

Sources:

https://www.infopackets.com/news/9610/facial-recognition-should-permission-be-required

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/06/16/consumer-groups-back-out-of-federal-talks-on-face-recognition/


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on Jun 21, 2015

DrJBHL


Quoting Jafo,

It's not like Joe Public has a choice.



There we disagree. If proper legislation fails, and there's no initiative to fix it, civil disobedience has changed a good deal of what was once thought "unchangeable".

 

While there is a great deal of truth in this.  Also consider how the government uses web sites, publicly, to spin truth.  One example I came across a few years ago still sticks in my mind.  One of the big meets of the financial/corporate powers to set up another 'free trade' contract (treaty) met on the west coast, Seattle?  Vancouver?  I forget.  Many grass roots groups met to protest that regular people, town mayors, and others were excluded from even observing the proceedings - no less having a seat at the table.  (When such massive and influential decisions are made, private does equal secret.)  The 'zone' of protection (no protests) was several blocks deep.  Given the size of the gathering, and the protestors, a few violent types were all but impossible to exclude.  What I saw in the various recordings taken by protestors and alternative media was very different from what the mass media showed, and what the FBI website shows.  I am sure 'both' sides did some spinning.  What galls me is the FBI website declares all the protestors as violent police hating fringe elements.  What is so absurd is, among other things this little tidbit.  A chapter of the AFL-CIO (Seattle?) participated in the protest.  When I saw the footage of this chapter it was like several hundred Archie Bunkers! We may have put off 1984's big brother for three decades, but the tech is here now, enhanced by cyber bots, and drones smaller than house flies... welcome to the brave new world of the Plutarch-oligopoly.  Big Brother managing, very well, to make civil disobedience irrelevant. 

on Jun 21, 2015

ElanaAhova

Big Brother managing, very well, to make civil disobedience irrelevant.

Yes, and with FRT and other modern tech at its disposal, it knows who, when... and where to crush it.

Civil disobedience these days is something for the media to latch onto... and is relevant to government by showing the world "how powerful we are" when said media airs the disruption/protest being broken up on TV.

Sadly, government by the people for the people no longer exists... and hasn't done for a long, long while.  Nowadays it's more like government for self-serving politicians by self serving politicians.... and that's pretty much true, regardless of what country you're from.  So no, this is not a political statement, but more an observation of the sad world we live in.

on Jun 21, 2015

DrJBHL

...civil disobedience has changed a good deal of what was once thought "unchangeable".

Bravo.

on Jun 22, 2015

I can sabotage it. One look at my mug and boom, all gone. Lol

on Jun 22, 2015


I can sabotage it. One look at my mug and boom, all gone. Lol

So that's why you go through so many frying pans.  Looking into a mirror would bring you 7 years bad luck each time... looking into a frying pan just creates a lot of shrapnel.

Hehe, well Medusa's got nothing on you, then.

With regard to the facial recognition technology, hopefully somebody will come up with a wearable device that fechs it up.... like some kind of beam that blinds the camera when wearers enter stores, etc..... as well as wiping the database of their info for good measure.

on Jun 23, 2015


I can sabotage it. One look at my mug and boom, all gone. Lol

 

Uval, so you admit its all your fault?  

on Jun 23, 2015

starkers


Quoting Uvah,

I can sabotage it. One look at my mug and boom, all gone. Lol



So that's why you go through so many frying pans.  Looking into a mirror would bring you 7 years bad luck each time... looking into a frying pan just creates a lot of shrapnel.

Hehe, well Medusa's got nothing on you, then.

With regard to the facial recognition technology, hopefully somebody will come up with a wearable device that fechs it up.... like some kind of beam that blinds the camera when wearers enter stores, etc..... as well as wiping the database of their info for good measure.

or a common mask that covers the face(perhaps of the current 'highest' politician in the country(this is so that the said politican gets the problems they deserve)), just leaving the clothes, body shape, gender and hair/skin colours as clues toward the actual person behind the mask

harpo, the ghost NON-subscriber

on Jun 23, 2015

Costa Rica is looking better every day.

That is all I need. Some crap like Minority Report bombing me with ads everywhere I go. 

I say we have live tracking of our politicians and bureaucrats first. You know, proof of concept. Bet that will stop this in its awful track! 

 

 

on Jun 24, 2015

harpo99999

or a common mask that covers the face(perhaps of the current 'highest' politician in the country(this is so that the said politican gets the problems they deserve)), just leaving the clothes, body shape, gender and hair/skin colours as clues toward the actual person behind the mask

Yeah, I can see people getting around in Tony Abbott masks... though if they include the ears, wind resistance is gonna slow 'em down a hell of alot.  Hopefully, budgie smugglers aren't a prerequisite to wearing said masks.... nobody, and I mean NOBODY wants to see me in those.

On another note, several prominent politicians reckon that no poliies should have to pay income tax.... cos none of 'em have ever done an honest day's work in their lives.

on Jun 24, 2015

@ElanaAhova

 

I would if I could but I can't so I won't. Just don't tel nobody. Especially you know who. ^^

on Jun 24, 2015

Blaze of Glory

I say we have live tracking of our politicians and bureaucrats first. You know, proof of concept. Bet that will stop this in its awful track! 

Just like they're the first to have to get Obamacare, right?

Ever read Orwell's "Animal Farm"?

 

on Jun 24, 2015


I can sabotage it. One look at my mug and boom, all gone. Lol
Yeah, I know what you mean.....The last time a computer recognized my face, it died laughing.

on Jun 25, 2015

DrJBHL


Quoting Blaze of Glory,

I say we have live tracking of our politicians and bureaucrats first. You know, proof of concept. Bet that will stop this in its awful track! 



Just like they're the first to have to get Obamacare, right?

Ever read Orwell's "Animal Farm"?

 

Yes. "Some are more equal than others" constantly comes to mind.

on Jun 26, 2015

I'm thinking Metropolis (1920 something sci fi) where the people are put to sleep. Maybe Uncle Sam is gonna bore us to death.

on Jun 26, 2015

Blaze of Glory


Quoting DrJBHL,






Quoting Blaze of Glory,



I say we have live tracking of our politicians and bureaucrats first. You know, proof of concept. Bet that will stop this in its awful track! 



Just like they're the first to have to get Obamacare, right?

Ever read Orwell's "Animal Farm"?

 



Yes. "Some are more equal than others" constantly comes to mind.

 

Precisely. 

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