Ramblings of an old Doc

 

I felt really good when I read gHacks about this topic, since it’s something I’ve been doing for years.

There are two basic situations: The first: You’ve decided that for the type of purchase you’re making, it’s better to have a direct connection to the brick and mortar merchant, and the second: You’ve decided that the discount or local availability dictate you shop online.

For the second, this article doesn’t apply. For the first, there are several ways to pay for things. I maintain that for these, there are five good reasons to use cash, and not a card.

1. Most folks don’t keep careful track of their card purchases and digital payments. This tends to cause budget overages. With cash, all you can spend is what you have with you. It’s easier to keep track of cash:

“A Dunn & Bradstreet study found that people spend 12-18% more when using credit cards than when using cash. And McDonald's found that the average transaction rose from $4.50 to $7.00 when customers used plastic instead of cash.” – SeekingAlpha

Worse, the psychology of credit cards make it easy for you to overspend (and credit card companies like that).

2. Fees and commissions – While you probably don’t have to pay these, merchants do. Unfortunately, that’s reflected in the price you pay for the item. With cash? Never, unless you get it from an ATM (never advisable for monetary and security reasons).

3. Control – You give up control when you use a bank to keep and guard your money, but you give up even more when cash isn’t used.

4. Privacy – Cash purchases can’t be tracked (except by the actual, physical receipt). With card purchases, data is stored and anyone can access/purchase that data.

5. Security – While somewhat related to privacy, with a card, your data is stored at least until the payment is confirmed. That makes it vulnerable at least for a period of time. There are also companies which store the data for a longer period to extract data to sell onward. If you don’t believe me, ask Home Depot, Target, etc. Besides those, the person behind you on line can scan the keypad and take an infrared picture of it and easily obtain your PIN. Btw, there’s a way to protect yourself from that (Here: Gizmodo). There are also other ways to steal your data at the register.

So, while I doubt you’ve been convinced, you still got the low down.

Sources:

http://www.ghacks.net/2014/09/19/why-i-pay-in-cash-and-why-you-should-too/?_m=3n%2e0038%2e1372%2ehj0ao01hy5%2e1f5l

others linked in the article.


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on Sep 23, 2014

Heavenfall


Quoting Campaigner,

My main problem with cards is that some places charge you x <currency> extra for using cards. I learned some years ago that this is due to stores with cardmachines have to pay monthy or so for having them!!

I thought cards were invented and spread so shopping would be safer but i's obviously combined with making moeny



This may be a breach of contract on their part. It should be explicitly forbidden by the supplier of the card system in use.

 

 

I've heard/read that as well but I understand the stores who do it. Paying 5kr or however much just for someone to be able to use their card and not making anything on that sale is idiotic!

 

If it's forbidden to make it more expensive for using cards then they should be allowed to make it cheaper to use cash 

on Sep 23, 2014

Heavenfall


Quoting Campaigner,

My main problem with cards is that some places charge you x <currency> extra for using cards. I learned some years ago that this is due to stores with cardmachines have to pay monthy or so for having them!!

I thought cards were invented and spread so shopping would be safer but i's obviously combined with making moeny



This may be a breach of contract on their part. It should be explicitly forbidden by the supplier of the card system in use.

 

The only time I use cash is when there's no other choice. Hell, even the hot dog cart accepts cards nowadays. I use it because it's convenient and provides much better opportunities to see how much money you actually spend. If you use cash, I doubt you can be specific down to the cent on how much money you spent on food the last month/year.

The fact that everywhere their use is accepted doesn't justify doing it. 

I've given you solid reasons why using cash might well be to your benefit. If you ignore it, you accept the risk.

Might I suggest shopping in Target, or Home Depot? Don't forget to use your card.

 

It only makes sense for store owners to favor cash...unless they buy into thinking that more people will purchase using cards than cash, and that they'll do it more frequently.

I defy anyone to prove THAT is in your favor.

on Sep 23, 2014

Don't act like you're spelling out the gospel, there are trade-offs to everything and I don't think the downsides to using credit cards outweighs the benefits. However, I'm especially concerned about how privacy plays out in the future.

Edit: interestingly enough it was made law in Sweden that shops may not charge a fee from people using their credit cards (so not only is it a breach of contract, it's illegal). The shops now decline if the purchase is too small.

on Sep 23, 2014

Heavenfall

However, I'm especially concerned about how privacy plays out in the future.

 

I can field that question/answer.  There is none.....privacy that is. 

on Sep 23, 2014

^ Precisely why I advocate for cash. 

on Sep 23, 2014

 

I agree with you Doc, unfortunately the pull of the 'free' things you can get with the various rewards programs associated with cards these days often proves too much! 

" just when I thought I was out.....they pull me back in....."      Damn 'rewards programs'........hehe

on Sep 23, 2014

the_Monk

'free' things you can get

Who doesn't like 'free' stuff. People see free, especially when it comes to high end products, will always be all over it. Nature of the beast. 

on Sep 23, 2014


Worse, the psychology of credit cards make it easy for you to overspend (and credit card companies like that).

They love it
A reason why i never got myself a credit card.
Simply by having one the temptation is huge to buy stuff that someone cant afford.
And as i know many have more than one... ending up with a value that that barely the next generation is able to pay because of the fees.
Thanks but No thanks is the right way to face it. 

on Sep 23, 2014

^ It's not a bad thing, but it does have a psychology to it, and wise to see that.

Also, "T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L." - from Farnham's Freehold (Heinlein): "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." What seems 'free' ends up costing you twice as much (if not more).

 

on Sep 23, 2014

if everybody stopped overspending, wouldn't the economy crash even sooner than the credit card debt bubble will burst? 

on Sep 23, 2014

the_Monk

I agree with you Doc, unfortunately the pull of the 'free' things you can get with the various rewards programs associated with cards these days often proves too much!

Rewards programs are an oxymoron....unless you realize the 'reward' actually goes to the vendor, not the purchaser.

Maybe one day 'loyalty programs' will be defined as anti-competitive intent only to undermine and wipe out the small competitor.

When multi-national supermarket chains discount petrol [provided you buy their shit at their supermarket] it directly hurts the independent stations.

The sooner it's criminalized the better.

on Sep 23, 2014

Indeed...as for the credit card security?

on Sep 23, 2014

DrJBHL

^ It's not a bad thing, but it does have a psychology to it, and wise to see that.

Also, "T.A.N.S.T.A.A.F.L." - from Farnham's Freehold (Heinlein): "There ain't no such thing as a free lunch." What seems 'free' ends up costing you twice as much (if not more).

 

 

And if it doesn't cost you something - someone is paying for it.

on Sep 25, 2014

Heavenfall

Don't act like you're spelling out the gospel, there are trade-offs to everything and I don't think the downsides to using credit cards outweighs the benefits. However, I'm especially concerned about how privacy plays out in the future.

Edit: interestingly enough it was made law in Sweden that shops may not charge a fee from people using their credit cards (so not only is it a breach of contract, it's illegal). The shops now decline if the purchase is too small.

 

Holy hell that was much to read!   You'd think a few sentences would be enough but nooo....

 

Are they talking only creditcards or are bankcards included in that ?

on Sep 25, 2014

Those are included.

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