Ramblings of an old Doc

 

Very few doubt the importance of the internet for business, communication and well, you name it.

Along with the progress come the criminals and those seeking to do business by stealing the goods of others and selling them more cheaply or even for “free” along with malware as a bonus offering.

So, many folks have had it and are fed up to the gills with large firms which maintain servers known to be spam warehouses (and ripped stuff as well).

This is the setting for the cyber war which slowed Europe’s internet (and since it’s all connected, to a lesser degree elsewhere).

Cyberbunker is a “controversial” web host company in Holland. They are quite “zealous” in “protecting” their customers’ “rights” by blocking those who distribute “terrorist related material” or “illicit images of children”. No argument from me… certainly about the latter. However, I can't find any exact definitions or examples of what they consider "over the boundary". Could be a case of "I can't define it but know it when I see it." at least regarding the former. I don't even wish to consider the latter.

Spamhaus recently blocked traffic from Cyberbunker. The grounds? It was allowing its servers to mass spam. Of course, Cyberbunker claimed free speech violation (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-21954636). Hmmm. The refuge of villains, or are they right?

So, for several days, allegedly someone acting on the behalf of Cyberbunker attacked Spamhaus’s servers using DDoS attacks… supposedly with bogus traffic reaching 300GB/sec (six times the size used on banking and governmental sites). The prior “Guinness record” was 100 GB/sec (for stats fans), supposedly. This represents a serious escalation of "hostilities".

Supposedly, this caused slow downs and jams of up to 40%. Others dispute this.

“One expert said that 300 gigabits per second is a huge amount of traffic for a single website to handle, but this has virtually no impact on the wider Internet.” - http://www.infopackets.com/news/security/2013/20130329_internet_spam_feud_results_in_huge_ddos_attack.htm

Apparently these two operations have a long history of "not liking" each other.

So, any folks in Europe notice Internet slowing?

Does anyone have an opinion? Does anyone have a "right" to inconvenience others this way (if they actually did)?

Read more here:  http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/03/when-spammers-go-to-war-behind-the-spamhaus-ddos/


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on Mar 29, 2013

Well, if it is a known fact that a company is serving up SPAM, Trojans, Viruses, WAREZ, child porn or anything similar to these on their servers, and they allow it, I would personally like someone to arrange for sending 10TB's/sec at them! Better yet, I hope their servers blow up or all their hard drives get fried. Showing them any mercy at all is not even a consideration.

on Mar 29, 2013

Does anyone have an opinion?

Of course.

They are quite “zealous” in “protecting” their customers’ “rights” by blocking those who distribute “terrorist related material” or “illicit images of children”.

I'm ok with that.

Spamhaus recently blocked traffic from Cyberbunker. The grounds? It was allowing its servers to mass spam.

I'm ok with that (the blocking of the mass spam source.)

So, for several days, allegedly someone acting on the behalf of Cyberbunker attacked Spamhaus’s servers using DDoS attacks

I'm not ok with that.  Those ddos attacks get pointed at whomever someone is aggravated at on any given day.  It's a punk move.

on Mar 29, 2013

As an average user on Internet, what I found more interesting in this story is that Cyberbunker is actually housed in a real NATO bunker that was built to withstand nuclear and biological warfare. Also it was never officially reclaimed to Netherlands territory so the people living inside have proclaimed it Republic of Cyberbunker and given themselves titles of Kings and such. Bunch of crazy people

Also police tried to force entry into the bunker but could not. Even SWAT came and failed

on Mar 29, 2013

TorinReborn
Also police tried to force entry into the bunker but could not. Even SWAT came and failed

Wrong tactics....

Nope, what's needed is a hippy looking bloke who appears to be selling weed and/or anything else that wankers like this might be interested in.  So he goes up to the door, knocks and calls out "Weed, get your weed here.... weed, roll up and get your weed."

Okay, so when they open the door cos the saw him on the surveillance cameras, he gives 'em a sample or three to make 'em a little more compliant, and when they're 3 parts stoned he calls in his SAS buddies to round 'em all up.... no gunfire, no violence, no casualties... problem solved.

on Mar 29, 2013

Just block the air vents and water/power/sewage lines... no need for violence. Of course, that's assuming they aren't into cannibalism.

 

on Mar 29, 2013

DrJBHL

Just block the air vents and water/power/sewage lines... no need for violence. Of course, that's assuming they aren't into cannibalism.

 

I don't think the police have the right to do that lol. 

on Mar 29, 2013

Bunker = Tomb

 

on Mar 29, 2013

TorinReborn
Cyberbunker is actually housed in a real NATO bunker that was built to withstand nuclear and biological warfare. Also it was never officially reclaimed to Netherlands territory so the people living inside have proclaimed it Republic of Cyberbunker and given themselves titles of Kings and such. Bunch of crazy people

Nonsense... The bunker was allowed by Holland to be used by NATO. Cyberbunker isn't NATO. So, either NATO designated forces or Dutch forces can break in, roll them up and throw their Pirate butts in jail, where they belong. Less "kid glove" and legal BS... and more justice, thanks.

 

TorinReborn
I don't think the police have the right to do that lol.

They do here... and honestly, it could really prevent needless loss of life.

 

on Mar 29, 2013

There has to be a physical pipeline out of the place which carries their traffic.  Could be cut with modest effort it would seem.

on Mar 29, 2013

Daiwa

There has to be a physical pipeline out of the place which carries their traffic.  Could be cut with modest effort it would seem.

 

This guy has a point. Cutting their power and internet is probably a whole lot more effective than cutting their food and water.

 

They do call it Cyberbunker for a reason.

on Mar 29, 2013

Yeah... wouldn't want the poor darlings to sit in their own stink and starve, would we?

You bet your ass I would.

on Mar 29, 2013

WebGizmos
Bunker = Tomb

Exactly.

Read them the whatever-equivalent of The Riot Act and inform them they have 30 minutes to cease and vacate the premises.

Then employ the sevices of the local 'ready-mix' and seal their 'bunker' permanently.

 

It's a fair bet that 'eventually' the cyber attacks etc will cease.  You can safely count on that.

on Mar 29, 2013

Knock, knock....we're coming in.

The US has a series of custom made bombs to penetrate hardened or deeply buried structures:

Depth of PenetrationWeapon Systems
Penetration of reinforced concrete: 1.8 m (6 ft) BLU-109 Penetrator GBU-10, GBU-15, GBU-24, GBU-27, AGM-130
Penetration of reinforced concrete: 3.4 m (11 ft) BLU-116 Advanced Unitary Penetrator (AUP) GBU-15, GBU-24, GBU-27, AGM-130
BLU-118/B Thermobaric Warhead GBU-15, GBU-24, AGM-130
Penetration of reinforced concrete: more than 6 m (20 ft) BLU-113 Super Penetrator GBU-28, GBU-37

More recently, the US has developed the 30,000-pound GBU-57.

on Mar 29, 2013

Nah...my option is both far cheaper and more environmentally friendly...

It's the GREEN ALTERNATIVE....

....should appeal to all the touchy-feelies out there....

on Mar 29, 2013

Oh...and left just the appropriate length of time they could be processed and canned...and become fair-dinkum SPAM.

 

It's a win-win for all...;0

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