Ramblings of an old Doc

 

This really isn’t “Personal Computing”, but I don’t think the appropriate Forum cross posts from JU. However, I’m not going to try to figure it out.

Honestly, I’ve waited for this for a decade… more… since college, really.

I’d been waiting for the weekend to publish this. I can’t. It’s too big. It is to Medicine what “Dark Matter” is to modern physics.

Medicine has been progressing rapidly, but no one could really explain the effect of the genes whose alleles (mutant genes) caused many complex diseases. Why should some function and others not, and what controls the sequence of function?

Since 2003, the “Encode” project has been running, and the amount of data generated is truly huge. “Encode” is the project which deciphered (to a large, but not complete extent) what goes on in the nucleus of cells. It involved 440 scientists and 32 labs around the world.

It turns out that what appeared to be “junk’ DNA wasn’t junk at all, and that 80% of it is quite active. These small DNA sequences were thought to be junk because they were located at quite a distance from the genes they were found (now) to turn on and off.

To understand this very complex picture, you have to realize that each cell I’m discussing has the ‘normal’ (2N) amount of chromosomes. That means I’m not talking about eggs, sperm or red blood cells. The first two have N chromosomes (half the number) and red blood cells have none.

The amount of DNA in the 2N cells if stretched out would be a strand 10 feet long. Obviously then, it’s all balled up tightly in the nuclei of your cells. Now picture this: The ball is not random. It is coiled such that the switches are in very close proximity to the genes they regulate (on and off) as well as to other switches, which they interact with as well. This is a very complex “hair ball”.

So, imagine switches a,b,c and d. In that order they produce (along with the gene cascade and secondary, tertiary , quaternary, etc. switches and genes regulated by them) a liver cell. Thus, the different sequences will determine different DNA folding patterns and proximities. In a different order, a brain cell, and so on. This means there is a hierarchy of switches controlled by hormones and even by “up-ness” or “down-ness”) of cells and by neighboring cells…. It is truly mind boggling, especially when you consider that a cell can be thought of (so we can picture the complexity) as an ocean liner filled completely with machinery on the size order of a Swiss watch.

Take a breather.

Digest that.

So, how many switches are there? About four (4) million.

“The result of the work is an annotated road map of much of this DNA, noting what it is doing and how. It includes the system of switches that, acting like dimmer switches for lights, control which genes are used in a cell and when they are used, and determine, for instance, whether a cell becomes a liver cell or a neuron.” - http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/science/far-from-junk-dna-dark-matter-proves-crucial-to-health.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all

You all remember “The Human Genome Project”. Think of that as a picture of Earth from space (the “blue marble” picture). This current research has presented the equivalent of “Google Maps”. The latter now shows the roads, restaurants, hospitals, cities and rivers, according to Dr. Eric Lander (Harvard and MIT, Broad Institute).

“In one of the Nature papers, researchers link the gene switches to a range of human diseases — multiple sclerosis, lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, Crohn’s disease, celiac disease — and even to traits like height. In large studies over the past decade, scientists found that minor changes in human DNA sequences increase the risk that a person will get those diseases. But those changes were in the junk, now often referred to as the dark matter — they were not changes in genes — and their significance was not clear. The new analysis reveals that a great many of those changes alter gene switches and are highly significant.” – ibid

The basis of many diseases and the future attacks on these diseases will be in the switches. That means Cancer, as well.

The parts which haven’t been figured out yet are the next phase of “Encode”.

Hope this has given some mind expansion as well as…well… hope.

Just to add some 'pepper' - What determines the "up-ness" and "down-ness"? What was most fundamental to all of this ... allowed it all to occur? The Higgs-Boson. It allows matter to aggregate, and form gravity, without which there could be no "up" or "down". 

Sources:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/sep/05/genes-genome-junk-dna-encode

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/06/science/far-from-junk-dna-dark-matter-proves-crucial-to-health.html?_r=1&pagewanted=all


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on Sep 06, 2012

Fascinating stuff there, Doc. Thanks for sharing it.

I find the exploration of "inner" space far more relevant to the progress and survival of mankind than that of outer space.

on Sep 06, 2012

It's ironic... that which allowed the universe to form galaxies and worlds, molecules and life itself is incredibly "small"... the Higgs-boson.

And for me, it is all filled with endless beauty and wonder, from the immeasurably small to the infinitely large... We are so lucky to have lived in this time, Wiz.

on Sep 06, 2012

I disagree.  They knew a lot of this for a long time, but there wasn't a consensus in the community, and this study sums up the findings of many studies conducted all over the world.

on Sep 06, 2012

Just one step closer to "GATTACA"!

Ethan Hawke and Jude Law, here we come!

on Sep 06, 2012

There is a potential for misuse. That should not be minimized and it should be watched for and dealt with firmly when discovered. 

The idea is not to intervene without cause, to select and produce freaks/monstrosities or someone's idea of "perfection". 

The idea is to prevent disease and its attendant suffering, and to enable people to live their lives in good health.

 

I am a bit disappointed that folks don't see the incredible accomplishment that this is... I really did try to explain it as best I could. Sorry if it fell short because those researchers are my heroes.

on Sep 06, 2012

As someone who works in the field, I'm not sure I'd claim that this is the breakthrough that finally unlocks the answers to the big problems in medicine.  It is an important breakthrough along the path to unlocking those answers. comparable to many of the breakthroughs that have preceded it, and to the breakthroughs we still need to make.

Yes, this is an important discovery, but as Nasarog points out, this is not some recent revelation.  There has been mounting evidence of this for many, many years.

 

on Sep 06, 2012

It turns out that what appeared to be “junk’ DNA wasn’t junk at all, and that 80% of it is quite active. These small DNA sequences were thought to be junk because they were located at quite a distance from the genes they were found (now) to turn on and off.

To me, this single phrase, is mind blowing. So much of what we thought of genetics, if this is indeed true, has been turned upside down.

on Sep 06, 2012

Wizard1956
Fascinating stuff there, Doc. Thanks for sharing it.

DrJBHL
And for me, it is all filled with endless beauty and wonder, from the immeasurably small to the infinitely large... We are so lucky to have lived in this time, Wiz

DrJBHL
There is a potential for misuse. That should not be minimized and it should be watched for and dealt with firmly when discovered. 

The idea is not to intervene without cause, to select and produce freaks/monstrosities or someone's idea of "perfection". 

The idea is to prevent disease and its attendant suffering, and to enable people to live their lives in good health.

 

I am a bit disappointed that folks don't see the incredible accomplishment that this is... I really did try to explain it as best I could. Sorry if it fell short because those researchers are my heroes.

Excellent find Doc, thanks.

It should be a given that Nature doesn't do "junk"!

Love science, so am blown away by the possible implications pointed out in the article .

The big c eradicated just for starters!

Whats taking place on Mars with the robot "curiosity" blows me away too, don't even get me started on the landing itself!! 

Human creativity on demo!

I am eager to know the answer to the question..as many are too.......was there ever..... on Mars?  

Thanks Doc!

on Sep 07, 2012

Indeed, those scientists and amateur biologists like myself who found it odd that evolution would make so much of our DNA "Junk" have suspect this might be the case for a while. However, it was impossible to make use of that idea without proof. That we now have it and the mechanism for how it works (as usual it's so beautifully simple we missed it) is indeed great news.

 

on Sep 07, 2012

And how about the fact that 8% of human DNA comes directly from viruses.

on Sep 07, 2012

Wizard1956
Fascinating stuff there, Doc. Thanks for sharing it.
 
Quicksilver007
It should be a given that Nature doesn't do "junk"!

Love science, so am blown away by the possible implications pointed out in the article

 

on Sep 07, 2012

DrJBHL
There is a potential for misuse. That should not be minimized and it should be watched for and dealt with firmly when discovered. 

The idea is not to intervene without cause, to select and produce freaks/monstrosities or someone's idea of "perfection". 

The idea is to prevent disease and its attendant suffering, and to enable people to live their lives in good health.

 

I am a bit disappointed that folks don't see the incredible accomplishment that this is... I really did try to explain it as best I could. Sorry if it fell short because those researchers are my heroes.

 

You are being very extreme with this. Potential for misuse??  Do you expect evil scientists to secretly work in underground labs with unlimited funds and a steady supply of willing/unwilling test subjects???

 

The problem with diseases, be they genetic, viral or bacterial, is that they are constantly mutating, and when looking at their over all effect/function it is hard to reproduce those conditions in the lab.  They are plenty of meds out there that address specific needs for controlling an aspect of disease, but they fail to consider the environment of the whole.  Hence all the unwanted side effects. This discovery will not make that problem go away all that fast. Yes, this is an important discovery, and yes, this will help turn science in the right direction, but Cauldyth is right, it's just the beginning.

on Sep 07, 2012

Also, in all likelihood, there will be no cure for cancer.  The best we can hope for is a cure for colon cancer, a cure for breast cancer, a cure for pancreatic cancer, etc.  What I mean is that each type of cancer is different from the others in how it operates, and it's highly unlikely there will be a magic bullet that treats all of them.  Each form of cancer will need to be studied and addressed separately.

To make matters worse, cancer is a living thing, and like all living things it evolves.  Yes, cancer within an individual is constantly evolving in the genetic sense.  When they went to sequence cancerous cells from patients, they found that within a single cancerous tumor, there can be dozens of genetically different parts of the cancer present.  The end result is that when a promising treatment is applied to a patient, there's an initial period of very good response as the treatment kills off large parts of the tumor.  However, the parts of the tumor that are genetically resistant to the treatment survive, and the treatment loses efficacy.  The cancer has evolved resistance to it.

I don't want to be a downer in all of this, but people need to understand the reality.  The discovery of genetic switches is very important, but again, it's not a recent discovery. Here's a PBS article from 5 years ago about it http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/body/gene-switches.html and they've had several documentaries about it since.  There's still a long slog ahead of us.

And after that, once we've got a good understanding of how all of the biology works, how long does it take to bring a treatment to market?  If everything goes right, and no major obstacles arise, 10-15 years.  That's how long it takes from start to finish, after you fully understand the biology, if everything goes right.  And that's never the case.

 

on Sep 07, 2012

Cauldyth, I'm talking about approach... this is a major game changer. And any given cancer in an individual is rarely of only one cell type, most MD's know that. That's why getting at the stem cells is so important... we need to get at a common mechanism and hit it when it's active. 10-15 years is nothing compared to the time it takes to discover and understand what is truly going on (think Watson and Crick until now). D.melanogaster isn't H. sapiens... Encode started in 2003...

on Sep 07, 2012

Population growth concerns me.  People aren't dying like they used to and supporting all of these folks has a cost.  I'm not sure that the cost will be affordable long term.

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