Ramblings of an old Doc

 

AV comparatives tested a slew of antivirals and has published it’s results. They do this testing every three months.

This isn’t supposed to be a “mine’s better than yours” post. It is meant to help you decide which software you might wish to obtain to protect your computer/s. Bear in mind the limitations of the testing (see my last paragraph).

The software tested:

 

“Seven products attained the ADVANCED+ rating: Avira, BitDefender, eScan, F-Secure, Kaspersky, McAfee, and TrustPort. Kaspersky, Trustport, and McAfee all moved up, having rated ADVANCED in last August's on-demand test.

Avast!, ESET, G Data, and Panda would have received the same top rating, but false positives knocked them down to ADVANCED. Microsoft, Norton, and Sophos also rated ADVANCED. That's a step down for Symantec, which rated ADVANCED+ in the last test.

AVG and PC Tools passed the test, receiving a STANDARD rating; both scored better in the last test. Qihoo, which also rated STANDARD, doesn't have many users in this country, so PCMag hasn't reviewed it.

Three products failed to reach STANDARD: K7, Trend Micro, and Webroot. K7 simply scored low for detection; it achieved a STANDARD rating last time. Webroot, tested for the first time, also scored low, and suffered false positives to boot. [After initial release of these findings, AV-Comparatives raised Trend Micro's rating to STANDARD.]

AV-Comparatives also timed how fast each product scanned files. The fastest scanners, in descending speed order, were avast!, Panda, K7, and Webroot. Microsoft and PC Tools were the slowest of this bunch.” – Neil J. Rubenking, PC Magazine http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2383615,00.asp

One thing is clear to me. AV Comparatives tests on XP SP3 Core 2 Duo E8300/Intel 2.3 GHz Processors, 2Gb RAM machines (keep in mind when looking at scan speeds), and these were run on known batteries of trojans/virus/back doors, etc. not on the web.

Also important to note is they did not test “behavior aware” software. To me that is a large minus in their testing.

FYI.

I recommend you review the results for yourselves, straight from the horse’s mouth:

Source: http://www.av-comparatives.org/images/stories/test/ondret/avc_od_feb2011.pdf


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on Apr 18, 2011

Gwenio1
Quoting kona0197, reply 13Well technically Windows itself calls home so it could be classified as Spyware. (LOL)

The question is not if a program calls home, but that kind of information about you does it send?

As a note of interest there are a suprising number of smart phone apps that listen to you through the built-in microphone. and send info about what they hear to a central database.

Absolutely correct, Gwenio1. As to the 'listening' part, they say it's only to backgraound noises like TV and ads, but as far as I'm concerned that is illegal wiretapping, and the Justice Dep't. should be doing something about it.

Dr Guy
Or even one from a trusted vendor (Epsilon hack). I have gotten one already.

Absolutely.
 

on Apr 18, 2011

Yeah, I figured AVG was considered bad these days.  A friend of mine has shockingly poor common sense when it comes to the Internet, and AVG completely fails to stop his computer from getting cancer every 2-3 months.  Though in fairness with the amount of careless torrenting he does I'm surprised his system hasn't burst into flames yet, AV or not.

Norton should be rated 'bloated trash'.  My company used if before I started, and all I can say is that it slows system to a halt during scanning while failing to actually clean or often even detect anything.  The company switched to Trend (which is in FAIL tier on that list, lol), which while much less of a resource hog it still sucks ass at actually doing the whole 'anti-virus/malware' thing.  On one infected computer Trend reported 6 problems, 0 of which it was able to fix, while Malwarebytes found 18 and fixed 18.  Ugh.

Best free ones are Common Sense 2.0, Avira, and MSE.  Malwarebytes is the grand king of fixing existing issues IMO.  I've heard Kaspersky is the top paid AV, though paying for home AV when perfectly capable free ones exist is lol.  And as Sinperium said, no AV suite is 100% fullproof protection.  Nothing will save you if you're still running Common Sense 0.9 beta.

on Apr 18, 2011

lbgsloan
Yeah, I figured AVG was considered bad these days. A friend of mine has shockingly poor common sense when it comes to the Internet, and AVG completely fails to stop his computer from getting cancer every 2-3 months.

Funny. I have been running AVG for years. Never got a virus.

on Apr 18, 2011

lbgsloan
Though in fairness with the amount of careless torrenting he does I'm surprised his system hasn't burst into flames yet, AV or not.

'careless torrenting' will get you every time....

"Hi.  I am a virus from County Cork.  Please send me to all your friends and then reformat your 'C' drive.

Thankyou."

on Apr 19, 2011

kona0197

Quoting lbgsloan, reply 17Yeah, I figured AVG was considered bad these days. A friend of mine has shockingly poor common sense when it comes to the Internet, and AVG completely fails to stop his computer from getting cancer every 2-3 months.
Funny. I have been running AVG for years. Never got a virus.

Like I said, I don't think any AV suite matters if someone is careless; which my friend certainty is.  I had no AV suite on my system for years and never got a virus.  If you avoid using IE and don't click/download stupid things you should generally be okay.

on Apr 19, 2011

lbgsloan
Yeah, I figured AVG was considered bad these days. A friend of mine has shockingly poor common sense when it comes to the Internet, and AVG completely fails to stop his computer from getting cancer every 2-3 months. Though in fairness with the amount of careless torrenting he does I'm surprised his system hasn't burst into flames yet, AV or not.

Of all the computers I have had to delouse because of what has been termed malware (the viruses that are downloaded from a browser and pretend to be AV), I have yet to find a single common product to blame.  I think every AV product failed in that regard.

lbgsloan
I don't think any AV suite matters if someone is careless

I am going to make that statement into a rubber stamp and start stamping the foreheads of those like your friend who call me to delouse their computers!

on Apr 23, 2011

Here's another set of tests that I came across........

http://www.av-test.org/certifications

 

on Apr 23, 2011

Dr Guy
Looks like I will be evaluating Avast now!  Thanks for the link.  great topic!

 

Avast flags my DX gadgets and widgets as malware and deletes them. A huge minus in my book. As Jafo once said, this is probably as result of heuristic scanning.

I am hanging tight with MSE, ATM.

on Apr 23, 2011

Kaspersky might be a good addition to that Jim, or MSS or Antmalware Bytes.

on Apr 23, 2011

DrJBHL
Antmalware Bytes

Don't you mean "Malewarebytes"?

on Apr 23, 2011

You will get hammered now.

That's the old mantra from the days when malware was a novelty and common sense and occasional manual intervention were all it took to instantly fix things.  It ain't that world no more.

It's a safer mantra for people with set habits who visit predictably the same established sityes and nothing else on a regular basis.  My work entails software trisals, patches and the like as well as research which requires occasionally visiting places I can't vet as safe or sure in advance.

With the sort of malware about now, "I've never had a problem" is simply responded to with, "Not that you know.".

I didn't run Av softwaqre for two years after viruses and the like a hit public awareness and I was finding rootkits two years before they were ever publicly discussed.  I run AV software and lots of it regularly because I do more with my comp than download mail from m y website..

on Apr 23, 2011

kona0197



Quoting DrJBHL,
reply 24
Antmalware Bytes

Quoting kona0197,
Don't you mean "Malewarebytes"?

Malewarebytes? Do you mean Malwarebytes?  lol  

on Apr 23, 2011

Doc, I do use MSE real time scanning, MalwareBytes for on demand scanning, and Spybot S&D and sometimes HiJack This.

 

MSS, is that the thing from the other thread, the one you reinstall every ten days?

on Apr 23, 2011

No, it's the one that renews its definitions signatures every 10 days if you choose to run it.

on Apr 23, 2011

DrJBHL
No, it's the one that renews its definitions signatures every 10 days if you choose to run it.
ok, so I must have read it wrong. I'll have another look. Thanks!

 

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