Ramblings of an old Doc

 

 

 

WASHINGTON | Wed Feb 16, 2011 5:29pm EST (Reuters)

Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell, Senator Kay Bailey Hutchison, Representative Fred Upton, Chairman of the House Energy and Commerce Committee, and Representative Greg Walden sponsored the resolution to repeal the rules follows a lawsuit filed in January by Verizon Communications that argues the FCC overstepped its authority.

This effort is probably doomed to failure because it would need to pass both chambers of Congress, where Democrats retain a majority in the Senate, and get President Barack Obama's signature, to have effect. At best it’ll turn into a bargaining chip in some other political fight. That really bothers me. Not only is it a waste of time needed for much more important work (like getting jobs!) but it puts me and the American public in the path of rate hikes for internet service. The Canadian Gov’t recently put the kabosh on a similar plan to raise rates there.

So what’s it about?

In December, the FCC voted 3-2 to ban Internet service providers like Comcast Corp and Verizon from blocking traffic but gave them some discretion to ration access and manage their networks. The FCC's two Republicans voted against the item.

Basically, this is Net Neutrality Redux ( link to prior article ).

Make no mistake, there’s a lot of money at stake here. This prima facie explains why politicians are up for the fight.

This split highlighted a huge divide between those who say the Internet will flourish without regulation and those who say the power of high-speed Internet providers to discriminate against competitors needs to be restrained.

I seem to remember this situation from somewhere: Oh yes! Wall St. and Banking deregulation.

Certainly worked to Main St.’s advantage there! We’re all a lot better of, aren’t we?

"I am concerned that this power grab will set a dangerous precedent to undermine the role of Congress as elected representatives of the people to determine the law of the land. I do not intend to allow this to occur," said Upton in a statement on the resolution and Joe Barton expressed a similar sentiment. I really wonder if their motives are so pure when it comes to that. After all, where control and power go, so go campaign contributions (remember? He’s the Chairman of the Energy and Commerce Committee of the House).

For anyone thinking, "Oh, he's a Liberal" (not a dirty word, incidently) I reply, "No, don't label me: I think all parties are compromised by our election funding laws. I don't like the Democrats OR the Republicans."

“John Shimkus, another Republican, pressed commissioners at the House communications subcommittee hearing on whether the FCC had done a cost-benefit analysis.”

To whom, Mr. Shimkus: The ISP’s and their executives, stockholders and the politicians receiving campaign contributions or the small businesses and public?

Verizon filed its complaint with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

The same court ruled last year that the FCC lacked the authority to stop Comcast from blocking bandwidth-hogging applications on its broadband network, spurring the agency's most recent rulemaking effort.

"We think we're going to win because we think that the theory we've laid out is very consistent with Supreme Court rulings in the area”, said FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski.


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on Feb 17, 2011

Wrong. And it's not their property, and there are laws governing what people do with their property.

 

Hilarious.  Ignoring the absurd, irretrievable first half of your opening statement, I'll just shoot down the second half for you.

 

There are countless laws mandating various inarguable requirements on the population.  Podunk towns all over the country have laws against wearing shorts, tank tops, sandals.  You're required by law to have a firearm in at least one.  Others ban gun ownership altogether, something expressly protected and infringement immune by the second amendment.  You're required to have a broom in your garage in quite a few towns.  Bans on PDA, sodomy, it's technically illegal to hold hands in some places.  Just because there are laws violating your rights, doesn't mean you don't have them.  It means they're being violated when enforced.

 

"this is my gun, so i can do whatever i want with it." - Wrong.  

"it's my car so i'll drive it however i wish."  - Wrong.

 

Your rights end where someone elses right begins.  This is proof of my argument, not yours.  You have a right to freedom of information.  Your right to freedom of information ends where Comcast's right to property begins.  If Comcast wishes to play third world dictatorship and shut down all news traffic through Comcast owned infrastructure, Comcast has a right to do it, it's Comcast's property.  Who doesn't have a right to do it is the government.  It's no different than a delivery service closing shop and leaving it's producer without an outlet.

 

My rights regarding an automobile I own end where someone elses right to life or property begins.  I am not allowed to behave indiscriminate to the welfare of others and their property because they have a right to it.  I must observe safe driving practices when on public road ways.  If I set up my own track, I can indeed drive it however I wish, and should I kill myself in the process it's my own fault.

 

If you have a right to Comcast's infrastructure, slavery is alive and well because that means you have a right to the time invested in creating and maintaining it.  This is much the same argument being made for health care, one has a right to the work of people supplying a service.  Of course, slavery isn't legal and they can't be forced to actually provide services unwillingly.  So, we end up getting shortages and poor service when we try regardless of the consequences.

 

Also: You're probably lucky your mother isn't around to wash your mouth out with soap. Your profanity index exceeds the 'merely obnoxious' and is well into the 'intolerable' range.

 

I hadn't even noticed, I'd call it mid ranged.  If she really wants to fly down here and do it, I'll hold my mouth open.  It's going to be hard to find a bar of soap though, modern man discovered detergent a long time ago, only neanderthals would still be using soap.

 

Change it or find yourself not able to post.

 

I'd call you a bleep-bleeping bleepbleeper(it's on page two of my karma award list for anyone wondering what the bleeps stand for...) for the hell of it, but the presence or lack thereof in regards to colorful metaphors has always been a matter of course.  Attempts at self moderation have proven time consuming, as this post unfortunately demonstrates since I'm about to delete that particular expletive.  You can still blow me though, I give a shit not.

on Feb 17, 2011

I believe you'll have problems posting further psychoak, and with any luck, you might be shown the door.

Reconsidered that. psychoak, I'd really appreciate it if you were to modify your language. I'm kind of 'old school'/dinosaurish about that, and opening doors for ladies.

I hope that won't put too large a crimp in your style.

on Feb 17, 2011

Rights are subjective, we have law to protect someone's rights against our own.

on Feb 18, 2011

Rights are subjective, we have law to protect someone's rights against our own.

 

As you have no right to someone elses time, there can be no law protecting your non-existent right.  Rights can't be subjective and still be rights.  A right is a right because it "exists" beyond the law of the day.  A legal right isn't a right at all, something you can lose with the flick of a pen isn't yours to begin with.  In essence, to argue that their right to control their own property is subjective and can be changed because you want to run a torrent over their network whether they want you to or not, you must remove property from the list of natural rights.  Then you no longer own any of your possessions, and the state may confiscate and control at will.

 

Reconsidered that. psychoak, I'd really appreciate it if you were to modify your language. I'm kind of 'old school'/dinosaurish about that, and opening doors for ladies.

I hope that won't put too large a crimp in your style.

 

It can't, a ban has always been preferable to a muzzle, although it's getting rather long in it's arrival.  Part of me suspects one will never come, but I do know my flagrant, numerous, and unrepentant violations deserve one.

 

I'm bent, rather severely, towards not giving a red rats ass what anyone thinks, and since I can't find a rational argument for a given word being in some way wrong, they just pop out whenever they fit the current train of thought.  I do hold doors though, even if self moderation is a horrible failure most of the time.

on Feb 18, 2011

Wow Doc, if you're getting in such an uptight hissy about his language, you'd have a heart attack and fall over if you heard what comes out of my mouth.

on Feb 18, 2011

Mine as well  . I dont think many children are viewing these threads

on Feb 18, 2011

Wow Doc, if you're getting in such an uptight hissy about his language, you'd have a heart attack and fall over if you heard what comes out of my mouth.

Now please, Bebi, tell me this isn't true.  Given your cute and completely innocent looking avatar, I envisage a young lady who is as pure as the driven snow and wholly incapable of profanity.  Besides, I've seen a pic and you look like butter wouldn't melt in your mouth, so please tell me that you don't use eff words and the like.

on Feb 18, 2011

My biggest fear is that it's going to turn out something like this:

Let's face it, companies are in it for the bottom dollar. ISPs are already profiting off the maximum amount people are willing to pay for better internet access. They can degrade access much more easily than they can improve it, then charge more for the "new" (old) improved access. I don't see this move as being beneficial anyone, except those who are not the consumer.

on Feb 18, 2011

The "quote thing is misbehaving so...my responses in bold print (don't really deserve it, just very few other options  .

troglyte
My biggest fear is that it's going to turn out something like this:

Reduced 50%Original 1199 x 494

Let's face it, companies are in it for the bottom dollar. ISPs are already profiting off the maximum amount people are willing to pay for better internet access. They can degrade access much more easily than they can improve it, then charge more for the "new" (old) improved access. I don't see this move as being beneficial anyone, except those who are not the consumer.

Nice shop.  

Remember why Cable was started? "Great content, no advertising". How long did that last?

In truth they are in it for the money. Anything else is a lie. And I agree with Troglyte in that.

*sigh.

Greed just self propagates.  No cure in sight.

I just want folks to see what's happening and what their stake in it is.

As you have no right to someone elses time, there can be no law protecting your non-existent right. Rights can't be subjective and still be rights. A right is a right because it "exists" beyond the law of the day. A legal right isn't a right at all, something you can lose with the flick of a pen isn't yours to begin with. In essence, to argue that their right to control their own property is subjective and can be changed because you want to run a torrent over their network whether they want you to or not, you must remove property from the list of natural rights. Then you no longer own any of your possessions, and the state may confiscate and control at will.[/quote]

There are rights besides "natural rights". In essence though it all comes down to whether you wish to face jail and civil penalties based solely on "what I can get away with". A certain lady faces a very heavy fine for doing that with downloaded music. "Rights" are what you're willing and able to fight for and hold, imho.

It can't, a ban has always been preferable to a muzzle, although it's getting rather long in it's arrival. Part of me suspects one will never come, but I do know my flagrant, numerous, and unrepentant violations deserve one.
I'm bent, rather severely, towards not giving a red rats ass what anyone thinks, and since I can't find a rational argument for a given word being in some way wrong, they just pop out whenever they fit the current train of thought. I do hold doors though, even if self moderation is a horrible failure most of the time.

Nope, psychoak... you're not bent, you were just testing my limits... also the site's.  And yes, I can prevent you from commenting further on the thread and more but won't. Guess I'm just an old softy Grandpa.

I'm more an old fashioned guy who believes in certain proprieties as long as the TOS are held to, I won't. You'd just 'enjoy' that some other way.  

You're more a shock-jock, but that's ok as long as you have consideration for the TOS. [yep, I know you'll deny having them, but that's (I suspect) just you being a cute "bad boy"] .

[quote who="Bebi Bulma" reply="20" id="2890449"]Wow Doc, if you're getting in such an uptight hissy about his language, you'd have a heart attack and fall over if you heard what comes out of my mouth.

Ahhh... the benefits of the mute button...   Lurv ya Ms. Steffi ... 

 

on Feb 18, 2011

starkers

Wow Doc, if you're getting in such an uptight hissy about his language, you'd have a heart attack and fall over if you heard what comes out of my mouth.
Now please, Bebi, tell me this isn't true.  Given your cute and completely innocent looking avatar, I envisage a young lady who is as pure as the driven snow and wholly incapable of profanity.  Besides, I've seen a pic and you look like butter wouldn't melt in your mouth, so please tell me that you don't use eff words and the like.

 

Obviously the words from someone who hasn't served in a majority-female unit in the military. 

 

And rights are under assault constantly- look at Wisconsin right now, where the people are deciding to fight for the right to unionize.  We only have the rights we're willing to fight for- and many across the world are realizing that many people aren't willing to fight for their rights, but some are.

 

 

 

 

 

on Feb 18, 2011

Obviously the words from someone who hasn't served in a majority-female unit in the military.

I don't need to serve in such a unit to hear female profanities.  I've known a few ocker-type women here in Oz who could make a dock worker blush.  In fact, the worst female profanity I ever heard was in the birthing suite when my son was being born.  Ughhh, let's just say that the midwife was writing some of it down between contractions cos she'd never heard the like before.  

Come to think of it, which I do, I'd never heard some of it before, either.

on Feb 18, 2011
Yes, but they would ALL have been along the lines of "@#$% you, starkers...never &*() again!!!" ...
on Feb 18, 2011

on Feb 18, 2011

psychoak
Net Neutrality is a nice idea, like all Utopian bullshit.

Nice to see you back.  I was wondering where you were hiding.

psychoak
You're telling someone what they can or can't do with their own property, a violation of the fundamental right to property.

I would support this position 100% if not for the monopolistic tendencies of some ISPs in some areas.  Should a monopoly be attained, then government regulation is critical.  But only to maintain the market, not to cripple the company.

 

psychoak

The real world consequences of such idiocy are what we have today.  Horribly limited infrastructure that was a decade behind the times, scrambling to catch up.  Deregulation led to FIOS, 3G, the competition is springing up left and right.  Just five years ago, half of you broadband whoring assholes on the east coast(I was on satellite, I have issues, eat me) were pissing and moaning left and right about the frequent disconnects and horrible service in general that you were receiving.  Where's TWC today?  In the shitter and eating FIOS dust.  Every one of you poor suckers still living under a cable monopoly needs to get a clue.  It's your government regulation created infrastructure monopoly that made this mess.  Let them hang themselves, you'll be better off in the long run when the competition eats them alive for their own stupidity.

Lot of good meat in that comment.  I would not go so far as saying "A=B" in your statement about deregulation and FIOS/3G (I do not think they are related). but FIOS is critical to maintaining an open and competitive access. ILEC is hindered by government regulation, but in time, I hope it can provide competition as well.

 

psychoak
We don't need more regulation, passing net neutrality will just keep the dinosaurs around longer, lagging the shit out of the network.

The Internet was created, rose and exploded with basically no government regulation.  But they see a pot of gold and want to mine it.  But like the fable, they are going to kill the goose for want of golden eggs.

on Feb 18, 2011

tazgecko
Rights are subjective, we have law to protect someone's rights against our own.

NO!  That is the slippery slope.  RIGHTS are absolute.  But they do end where another's start.  The problem with today's talking points is that we have lost sight of what a right is.  A right is not given to you by the government, nor does it impose a tax on anyone else.  You can exercise your rights and no one will be impacted.  That is a right.

A privilege does impose on others, and it also is given by the government.  The difference (and understanding it) is called freedom.

 

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