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What's wrong in Redmond?
Published on November 27, 2018 By DrJBHL In Personal Computing

I've really been left wondering what's wrong with the W10 devs...

Erasing data, inability to choose default app...all is not well, methinks.

 

Seriously, what kind of company releases crap like this? Is there no pride? No sense of responsibility?

This might help if you have bugs with the updates...

https://www.techrepublic.com/article/windows-10-update-bugs-the-latest-fixes-and-workarounds/?ftag=TRE684d531&bhid=23906934820265111040450294515746

 

 


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on Dec 01, 2018

No....not entirely the fault of Win 10.  All other MS OS vers suffered from 'issues' now and then...but the real difference was that before 10 you could choose to ignore/avoid potential issues....so that others would see the bugs sorted FOR you....and you avoided the grief.

Win 10 just does it whether you like it or not [unless you stop all updating via GPedit or similar].

The truth of Win 10 is that it is a PUBLIC BETA.  It is NOT a 'stable OS', no matter how much the fanbois claim.....oh...we're using the early access versions which are betas...the public one is stable.  Bull-fucking-shit, it is not.

No-one should EVER have the temerity to claim an OS version is stable at the same time it simply deletes ALL your personal User Files....you know....the actual bloody WORK you are trying to do with the 'stable' OS.

Having your own backups is NOT-THE-POINT.  Your OS should not delete your work.....under the auspices of 'a Windows Update'.

on Dec 01, 2018


Can anyone clarify if these problems started with Windoes 10? From what I have read on the forums, Windows 10 is a real problem. Keep in mind I haven't used Windows since Windows 7 which was stable. 

I get that a few of you use WB to make Windows 10 look like Windows 7 but that is not what I am asking about. 

Microsoft fired their testers and made users beta testers without a way to opt out. So now users are at the mercy of Microsoft to deliver flawless updates which no OS has ever been able to do. Macs also have problems even if they are rare.

It's the update model that is broken in Windows 10. Well, actually it's the PC (Personal Computer) model that is broken. Your PC is now a playground for Satya and his pals.

 

on Dec 01, 2018

Fuzzy Logic

1809 working perfectly here. I had to disable some of the things I had turned off in the previous version, but, that's typical of major updates. Other than that, business as usual.

You are one of the lucky ones.  Many users lost data and could not get various programs to work.  And now, with the revised 1809 update, users cannot set default programs to open various tasks.  The entire update process is a complete debacle and MS should be ashamed of itself for the ways its customers are being treated.... with disregard and contempt.


Thing I hate the most is when a Win 10 update wants to mess with your network driver and you can't even get online to correct their fuck-up.

I believe there is a way to prevent this.  When going into update settings, untick 'other updates'.  That should disable driver and 3rd party updates.  Well that's what I did early in the piece when updates feched my network driver, along with my soundcard drivers and graphics card.  MS' inferior graphics drivers are the pits and should never be used over the proprietary ones.

Publius of NV

Windows 7 IMHO was the best version of Windows.  Which is why I use Stardock products to make Win10 look as much like Win7 as I can.

If only I had a copy of Win 7.  I do have a couple of copies of Win 8.1, though, and I'm very nearly tempted to put one of them on my primary machine and do away with 10 altogether.


Can anyone clarify if these problems started with Windoes 10?

Yes, the issues with Windows Update pretty much began with Win 10.  There may have been occasional issues on some machines with earlier Windows editions, but nowhere near as consistently as with Win 10.  Put it this way, a betting man could make a fortune betting on each Win 10 update having massive flaws... if he could get a bookie to take those bets.

on Dec 01, 2018


I get that a few of you use WB to make Windows 10 look like Windows 7 but that is not what I am asking about.

Actually it's more Start10 than WB, though I use both.  But sorry, I know that's not what you're asking about.

on Dec 02, 2018

The latest cumulative update to Win 10 did exactly as I anticipated. In other words it failed, as per usual with these updates. I thought I had fixed the problem with windows updates a while ago but no...I ran the troubleshooter and it said some update components could not be repaired. Now I'm running dism.exe /Online /Cleanup-Image /Restorehealth for the second time. The first time was after I did a sfc /scannow after the last update. It found corrupted files in the update, go figure. I haven't lost anything, knock wood but that doesn't mean some other stupid shit won't happen. I think whatshisname over at MS is in bed with Murphy. You know...the guy who invented Murphy's law. 

on Dec 02, 2018

And to make matters worse after the first update failed it messed with my skins in rainmeter. The CopperRM came up without the background images, only the text. I went into the skins folder and found another skin had been created with the name Copper. I never made that one. The ini files were in the Copper folder and the images were in the CopperRM folder. Don't ask...I don't know. So I tried one more time to get the update installed. I hit retry and it does the search and comes back with...your OS is up to date. Two minutes after the second install failed. WTF!!! 

on Dec 02, 2018

If you want to really update to 1809 go here and click the Update button at the top. Read the instructions as it loads. I had the same problem with the Windows Update. It kept telling me everything was up to date.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10

on Dec 02, 2018

Its not that. Its the latest cumulative update KB 4467682. 1809 I found out is not applicable to my machine.

on Dec 02, 2018

I have never heard that. My old HP laptop that had Vista 32bit is running 1809 32bit. Not the fastest thing but it's running.

on Dec 02, 2018

I think the key point, and one that should forcefully be made to Microsoft, is that updates should not be forced on users, particularly since recent updates have caused so much damage.  In fact, things need to go back to the old way, when Automatic Updates were opt in or opt out, not compulsory.  I always opted out until I was sure the update[s] were safe to install, and Win 10 users should be afforded a period of grace to allow for proper checking prior to installation.

Furthermore, updates should not be foisted upon 'early adopters' to test/report issues.  No!  Microsoft is entirely responsible for the production, testing and fixing of issues in-house.  Users, whether they sign up for early adoption or not, should not be used as unpaid testers to find the faults MS should have found in-house before release.

If occasional issues occur on certain machines for whatever reason, then users should report them to MS to be resolved.  That's fair enough, but let's not be used by Microsoft to do its job.

on Dec 03, 2018

starkers

I think the key point, and one that should forcefully be made to Microsoft, is that updates should not be forced on users, particularly since recent updates have caused so much damage.  In fact, things need to go back to the old way, when Automatic Updates were opt in or opt out, not compulsory.  I always opted out until I was sure the update[s] were safe to install, and Win 10 users should be afforded a period of grace to allow for proper checking prior to installation.

Furthermore, updates should not be foisted upon 'early adopters' to test/report issues.  No!  Microsoft is entirely responsible for the production, testing and fixing of issues in-house.  Users, whether they sign up for early adoption or not, should not be used as unpaid testers to find the faults MS should have found in-house before release.

If occasional issues occur on certain machines for whatever reason, then users should report them to MS to be resolved.  That's fair enough, but let's not be used by Microsoft to do its job.

 

There you go again, using common sense and logic! Don't you know that they don't apply to MS?!? Couldn't agree more!!!

on Dec 03, 2018

@Almonty...I'm not sayin' a word. Maybe some words......

I went to the same exact site your link goes to. Been there before and that's when I was told the update was not applicable to my machine. Bullshit! I went there the second time and got exactly the opposite answer. You are running 1803. 1803 is not latest and most secure version of Windows. This update will install version 1809 on your machine. It did......I started it at 7:30 pm and it did not finish until after midnight! It didn't reach 99% until 11:45 pm. This kind of stupid stuff somehow finds it's way to me too damn often.

on Dec 03, 2018

Avatar137

There you go again, using common sense and logic!

Hehe, never been accused of that before.  

Avatar137

Don't you know that they don't apply to MS?

Sad but true!  Unfortunately, the new regime under Satya Nadella has thrown out the common sense and logic rule book.... along with common courtesy and decency, a regard and due respect for customers.  One of the sad things is that MS now calls us all 'users' instead of customers, and as such, MS believes it can treat us all like it owns us and our machines... that if we run Win 10, MS can manipulate OUR machines to serve purposes other than our own.

Sure, we can still sende and receive emails; write letters and calculate this and that, but do we really know what's going on under the hood in Win 10?   As I discovered when I went to bed one night with Win 8.1 and woke to find Win 10 installed, MS uses Scheduled Maintenance to perform various tasks in the middle of the night, and usually those 'tasks' are something you wouldn't normally agree to.... like having a stable version of Win 8.1 overwritten with this bitch of an OS.

I liked Win 8.1, and my installation was set up just the way I liked it, then MS stuck its nose in and ruined everything.  Even my recovery partition was wiped so I couldn't go back to 8.1 on my HP 2-in-1.  Yup, MS does pretty much what it wants, with YOUR PC, just because you're running its OS.  If only governments of the world would band together and take MS to task over what must be illegal practices.

Another reason MS thinks it can do as it wishes is that the yuppie types who love playing with apps and the like, actually like Win 10.  Unlike so many older users who remember the good old days, the yuppie types actually give MS good feedback on Win 10.  Yup, they sit there for endless hours playing with apps; never ever actually using a Win32 program; not caring about what's going on under the hood; what personal information they're sending back to MS via those apps... Cortana.

That's why MS gets away with it.  The yuppie types are growing in numbers and never complain - so long as their apps are working they don't care - and we, the dinosaurs who do complain, are skrinking in numbers and eventually will all go away.

Sad but true!

on Dec 10, 2018


I remember a few years back I used Windows 7 (last one I used) and it seemed to me that everything was okay with updates and such. Windows 7 was stable, at least to me. Please forgive me, but did all these update issues start with Windows 10? 

 

I wish to go back to Win 7 as there are lots of issues from these Win10 updates.

on Dec 11, 2018

ranger92


Quoting -RG-,

I remember a few years back I used Windows 7 (last one I used) and it seemed to me that everything was okay with updates and such. Windows 7 was stable, at least to me. Please forgive me, but did all these update issues start with Windows 10? 



 

I wish to go back to Win 7 as there are lots of issues from these Win10 updates.

Yes, many people are wanting to go back to Win 7 because of Win 10 updates causing issues, myself included.  I have automatic updates disabled so I've not gotten the last major updates, but I shouldn't have to jump through hoops and depend on 3rd-party programs to stop MS messing stuff up on my machine.  Yes, there has been issues with updates in the past, and on Win 7 as well, but nowhere near as bad or as frequent as now with Win 10.  Things need to go back to the way they were, with better user options and no forced updates.

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