Ramblings of an old Doc

 

I use W10 on one machine and W7 on another. Because MS has decided to break its own guidelines regarding ethical behavior, by using deceit to cause people to upgrade when they in fact, did not so with, I’m giving folks some articles, a sort of “how to” avoid or undo those actions of MS. Of course that won’t change the fact that new machines will come with W10 on them, and that MS’s other OSs will expire and stop getting support/patching at some point and become more vulnerable to attack.

“The technology giant recently altered the user prompt shown by the Get Windows 10 app to change how the close button works. Clicking X to close the prompt previously dismissed the scheduled upgrade to Windows 10, but Microsoft has changed its action, so clicking X now causes the user to agree to the scheduled upgrade.” – Techrepublic

If you wish to see exactly what I’m talking about, please see this link.

So, “Make Use Of” and c|net (Download.com) have published very recent articles about this topic:

1. c|net: “Stop or roll back a Windows 10 upgrade” - http://download.cnet.com/blog/download-blog/stop-or-roll-back-a-windows-10-update/?ttag=e785&ftag=DLAe1debd4&tag=nl.e785&s_cid=e785&ttag=e785&ftag=TRE410dd70

2. Makeuseof: “How to block the W10 Upgrade, Everything We Know”: http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/block-windows-10-upgrade-everything-know/

So, if you didn’t wish to upgrade to W10, and woke up to a brand new OS, and don’t know how to roll things back, these can be of help. There may be better sources out there about this, so please add them in your comments.

Remember, you have until July 29th to get the upgrade free. After that, it will cost $119.

If it’s a matter of a much needed program not running on W10, there is “compatibility mode” which you can use within the W10 environment to run these programs.

Sources are linked in the post.


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on Jun 02, 2016

Maiden666

Secondly, only update manually. There are some updates (here on Win7) which are nagware, for example KB2952664 which every hour prompts to upgrade the OS.

That's the same 'nagging' KB that several people reported as having ignored for several days before waking to find Scheduled Maintenance had 'upgraded' their Win 7 or Win 8.1 machine to Win 10.  In other words, MS is losing patience with the resisters to its latest OS.  It reminds me of Stalin and other dictators, only now it's Microsoft throwing its weight around and forcing its will upon others.... its own partners included.

I was always disappointed with Apple's methods and attitude, but sad to say, Microsoft has far surpassed Apple with its attitude, methods and bully-boy tactics. What Microsoft is doing now is downright criminal.  Sadly, the powers that be - the only people/entities that can act - are sitting on their hands while MS continues to break into peoples personal property [their PCs] and make unwelcome changes without as much as a whisper of consent.  Nobody can tell me that is right, though some might try, but if it were their homes Microsoft was breaking into, they'd soon be up in arms and laying complaints with the relevant authorities.  Point made !!!!

on Jun 02, 2016

In self-defense, we've had to enable automatic important (security) updates on all our workstations (otherwise, they'd never happen if left to the staff to do them manually), but we've made sure the 'Give me recommended...' checkbox has been unchecked.  Several of the workstations ended up with 3035583 installed anyway.  This past week have installed GWXCP on all of them & run Never10 as well (for purposes of redundancy purposes ).  On the rigs that had 3035583 installed, had to first uninstall that update before GWXCP and Never10 would function correctly.

Just sharing experience.

on Jun 02, 2016

Now ya just gotta hope, Daiwa, is that those machines don't get 'upgraded' via Scheduled Maintenance.  Another person I know say her machine was likely 'hacked' that way... going to sleep with Win 7 and waking up to Win 10.  She too had Never 10 and GWXCP installed, so they're no guarantee against MS' tactics

What Microsoft is doing is patently wrong and I sincerely hope that enough pissed off people can successfully mount a class action suit that rightfully stops MS being a tech bully boy.

on Jun 02, 2016

Not sure if Scheduled Maintenance is a vector for that in Windows 7.  What I've found seems to relate to 8/8.1.

on Jun 02, 2016

For Windows 7 users...and I'm assuming others after as well...here the list again of updates to be on the lookout for if you don't want Windows10 installed...so if before you click ok to update make sure these aren't in there...and you can hide these updates but they don't stay hidden...windows updates tries to sneak them in after awhile.

KB2506928
KB2545698 (IE9)
KB2592687
KB2876229 SKYPE
KB2976978
KB2977728
KB2978092
KB2923545 RDP
KB2970228
KB2990214
KB2994023
KB2660075
KB2952664 x2
KB2726535
KB3021917
KB3022345 Replaced by KB3068708 Telemetry (Caused false sfc result)
KB3035583
KB3044374
KB3050265
KB3065987
KB3068708 Telemetry
KB3075249
KB3080149
KB3095649
KB3102810

KB 2952664 - Labeled a compatibility upgrade for upgrading Windows 7, its purpose is to "make improvements to the current operating system in order to ease the upgrade experience to the latest version of Windows".

KB 2976978 - A compatibility update for Windows 8.1 and Windows 8 which "performs diagnostics on the Windows system [..] to determine whether compatibility issues may be encountered when the latest Windows operating system is installed.

KB 2990214 . Does the same as KB 3044374 but on Windows 7.

KB 3021917 - Does the same as KB 2976978 but on Windows 7.

KB 3035583 - According to Microsoft, this update enables "additional capabilities for Windows Update notifications when new updates are available".
    
KB 3044374 - This update for Windows 8.1 enables systems to upgrade from the current operating system to a later version of Windows.
   

on Jun 02, 2016


Not sure if Scheduled Maintenance is a vector for that in Windows 7.  What I've found seems to relate to 8/8.1.

I don't know for sure, either, I was just relating what she said to me.  However, she wasn't the only person who claimed their Win 7 machine was 'upgraded' to Win 10 that way.  In any event, MS has overstepped the mark considerably.... altering peoples machines without consent or legitimate authority.  Seriously, the "security reasons" lies abound, and the sneaky, underhanded tactics to make/force users to 10 are atrocious.

In fact, it is quite surprising that the EU hasn't come down on Microsoft for this 'bully-boy' behaviour.... or isn't this happening to Europeans, just we poor schnucks in the colonies?

on Jun 03, 2016

starkers

That's the same 'nagging' KB that several people reported as having ignored for several days before waking to find Scheduled Maintenance had 'upgraded' their Win 7 or Win 8.1 machine to Win 10.  In other words, MS is losing patience with the resisters to its latest OS.  It reminds me of Stalin and other dictators, only now it's Microsoft throwing its weight around and forcing its will upon others.... its own partners included.

WebGizmos

and you can hide these updates but they don't stay hidden...windows updates tries to sneak them in after awhile.

so true... looking at my update history I did install [and deinstall] KB2952664 several times over the course of the good part of a year, because stay hidden doesn't seems to work that well. And ofc, the descriptions given my MS are as vague as possible, which means if you don't still remember the exact KB number after some months you'll get it again.

This is just horrible business practice.

Ironically, the "stay hidden" option doesn't even hide the update, it just will turn the pen-ink from black to grey. Now if you're sitting in front of a bad monitor, or it's not well placed (light falling onto screen) or forgot your glasses (or else....) it doesn't take a genious to realize these hidden updates may be selected as well as they can't be distinguished from the proper ones. IMO this is also subtle  calculated manipulation.

starkers

or isn't this happening to Europeans

A few months ago, in winter IIRC the continued proposal to get this update stoped. At least for me, it's not available anymore. Still, MS were busy, inventing another update which twice a day starts several .exes which keep on searching completely through all drives and not even in background mode!

I sometimes wonder if I should even go through all the hassle with these eternal updates. A clean Win7 installment from disc start amazingly fast, needs less RAM & let's me basically do everything I want to do as well (I always keep such one on another disc in case of a disc failure). But then there is this fear of security problems someone found a way to gain entry and MS needs to patch to close that. On the other hand, some of these updates (skype eg) seem to posse a security issue in itself, and the more you update naturally the more tasks will keep running in the background.

But I don't have the time, the understanding nor the patience to indepthly inform myself about any existing WinUpdate that there is, what it precisely does and if it's specifically needed on my rig... It's a loose-loose-loose situation; what do?

on Jun 03, 2016

Maiden666

A few months ago, in winter IIRC the continued proposal to get this update stoped. At least for me, it's not available anymore. Still, MS were busy, inventing another update which twice a day starts several .exes which keep on searching completely through all drives and not even in background mode!

That's it, MS keeps reinventing updates to impose its will on people when previous ones are ignored and/or blocked.... and when those are ignored, too, MS uses Scheduled Maintenance to initiate the Win 10 download/installation. 

As for MS searching drives other than C: to check the OS for security flaws and updates, etc, well that's not on in my book.  For mine, the ONLY business MS has looking into users computers is to ensure Windows and other Microsoft programs are functioning as they should be.  Other than that, MS should full stop NOT be accessing users drives and data.  Satya Nadella would be charged if he rifled through your drawers to read personal correspondence delivered by snail mail, so why are he and his cohorts being given free reign to rifle through personal data contained on users non-OS HDDs?

Maiden666

But I don't have the time, the understanding nor the patience to indepthly inform myself about any existing WinUpdate that there is, what it precisely does and if it's specifically needed on my rig... It's a loose-loose-loose situation; what do?

Yeah, that's the thing, MS counts on this and slips in stuff most users would reject if they had the time and knowledge to do so.  Once upon a time, Windows Update was about customer care and service.  Sadly, this is no longer necessarily true, with many 'updates' serving MS... NOT the user.  Yup, PC users are being manipulated... corralled into a walled garden, where MS can pretty much do as it wants.

 

on Jun 03, 2016

The Register has reported that now MS is taking away the choice to Upgrade or not. MS is denying that.

https://forums.wincustomize.com/477854/page/1/

 

on Jun 03, 2016

This just goes to show how aggressively MS is pushing for Win 10 to be on a billion devices by 2020.  However, even if they reach that milestone, they won't be able to [honestly] claim bragging rights, not having forced 10 onto 10's of 1000's of people.... perhaps even millions, who simply didn't want it and were quite happy with their previous OS.  Like WOW, what an ego trip MS is on right now, in its bid for PC world domination.... and making many enemies along the way.

And here was I thinking that I disliked fechen bankers the most.  Perhaps I do, but MS has done itself no favours, not in my book.

on Jun 03, 2016

so I ended up "capitulating" as well, but is there a way to prevent Microsoft from updating drivers? They can update all their stuff all they want, but I have some drivers I do not want replaced.  Is there any way to do that?

Thanks all,

 

David

on Jun 04, 2016

werewolf

so I ended up "capitulating" as well, but is there a way to prevent Microsoft from updating drivers? They can update all their stuff all they want, but I have some drivers I do not want replaced. Is there any way to do that?

In Win 7 there are important, recommended and optional updates. Often drivers are in the optional category. As far as I know there is only one category in Windows 10. So either you receive updates or you use a tool like Win Aero Tweaker to completely disable Windows Update. There is no way (that I know of) to separate driver updates from security updates. Maybe you can uninstall driver updates and hide them. Hiding updates requires a program that I forgot the name of. I think Paul Thurrot wrote about it. The program is actually made by Microsoft.

EDIT: Found the link to Paul's article: https://www.thurrott.com/windows/windows-10/4881/windows-10-and-automatic-updates

 

on Jun 04, 2016

Easiest way to be certain of never having issues with unwanted 'updates' to 10.....

For those who can't manage any other way....

Turn off Windows updates entirely.  The world doesn't end if you do.

Most people will never know the difference...or miss them....or care....

on Jun 04, 2016

For home users, turning off Updates is a definite option.  In some work environments, however, failing to keep your systems current from a security perspective can potentially subject you to serious, non-trivial, sanctions in the event of a breach.  If Windows Update, otherwise known as Murphy, borks something it's just the price of doing business.

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