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Every three years, the Copyright Office reviews the rules for unlocking and jailbreaking your phone as part of the review of rules that the DMCA mandates.

This time they determined that there were enough unlocked phones for sale, and therefore unlocking your own without the permission of your carrier would be illegal.

Proponents of unlocking argued that “some devices sold by carriers are permanently locked and because unlocking policies contain restrictions and may not apply to all of a carrier's devices."

The Copyright Office wasn’t buying: "with respect to newly purchased phones, proponents had not satisfied their burden of showing adverse effects related to a technological protection measure."

They did (on Oct. 28th of 20120) give consumers a 90 day period to unlock their phones without permission. They upheld the ruling that jailbreaking (running unauthorized apps) would still be legal, although it could certainly void your warranty (iPhone is the main phone affected by jailbreaking).

The jailbreaking rule was not extended for tablets because the proposed definition for a tablet was too broad.

You can sign a petition to ask the Copyright Office to reverse its decision based on the argument that “the resale value will be reduced while they have already been been purchased by the user, will force exorbitant roaming fees and reduce consumer choice.”

The petition has about 7,000 signatures but needs another 93,000 by Feb. 23rd in order to receive a formal White House response.

Source:

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2414699,00.asp


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on Jan 27, 2013

on Jan 27, 2013

kona0197
Except if you default on the service contact they let you keep the phones and don't really care what you do with them.

That's because they charge you for a early termination fee.

The termination fee normally equates to the difference of the retail cost of the phone minus the price you paid for it.

In the long run it's cheaper to buy an unlocked smart phone. At the end of most contracts in the US you'll have paid $500.00 to 1000.00 more than if you bought an unlocked phone and went with a provider like Virgin.

on Jan 27, 2013

I bought a Samsung Galaxy Proclaim at Walmart for $179.00. Prepaid service, so the phone is unlockable from the get go.

 

I get great unlimited everything for 45 a month, and I have great service, so I have no need to jailbreak.

 

But it should be legal to do, since I bought it no contract.

on Jan 27, 2013

CarGuy1
That's because they charge you for a early termination fee.

What if you don't pay the early termination fee? All they can do is send you to collections and even then they can't get money out of you if you don't want to pay. And then they still don't care what happens to the phone. You could have it flashed to another carrier and go about your business.

on Jan 27, 2013

kona0197
What if you don't pay the early termination fee?

If you contract for a subsidized phone, then break said contract and do not pay the termination fee, you do not own the phone. They may not expend the effort to get it back, but it's still their property.

on Jan 27, 2013

Well that still will not stop people from taking that phone to another carrier and having it flashed over to their service. It happens frequently around here. I don't think this law will stop it. I will make jailbreaking a phone illegal, but it will not stop people from jailbreaking phones.

on Jan 27, 2013


Quoting starkers, reply 29Looked at the paperwork and it stipulates that Shaunna and I will own our phones when the contract expires,

Yes, that's the way it generally works...

True, but not all carriers [Telstra, Optus, etc] actually say so.

CarGuy1
In the long run it's cheaper to buy an unlocked smart phone. At the end of most contracts in the US you'll have paid $500.00 to 1000.00 more than if you bought an unlocked phone and went with a provider like Virgin.

Depending on the carrier and the plan you choose, that's usually the way it goes, but our current plan [$68 per month for 2 handsets] includes unlimited calls and texts to mobiles and landlines within Australia 24/7, so the packege is quite generous, and given our usage [Shaunna rings her daughter in Tasmania several times a week, mobile to mobile], the phones will likely have cost what we would have paid for an unlocked one.  At one outlet they were asking $699 for unlocked Nokia Lumia 820's, that was like $1400 for us both, so for mine, the contract we decided upon was reasonably cost effective, and we have two new smartphones with more than ample calling/texting.

on Jan 27, 2013

kona0197
Well that still will not stop people from taking that phone to another carrier and having it flashed over to their service. It happens frequently around here. I don't think this law will stop it. I will make jailbreaking a phone illegal, but it will not stop people from jailbreaking phones.

Well, if you don't mind breaking the law, the discussion's moot - isn't it.

on Jan 27, 2013

kona0197
Well that still will not stop people from taking that phone to another carrier and having it flashed over to their service. It happens frequently around here. I don't think this law will stop it. I will make jailbreaking a phone illegal, but it will not stop people from jailbreaking phones.

 

even in the US jailbreaking is not illegal. unlocking became illegal in the US yesterday. can't see how this will affect an indiviual person though. the companies that offer this service will just not writing bills and therefore not paying taxes.

not paying the termination fee is serious though. hard to believe such habits will not end up in a database and sooner or later you won't get credit anyware. might even end up in jail if a debt collector chooses to use the justice system.

on Jan 27, 2013

for the Australians:

if those Aussie ski bums here aren't talking complete bullshit: your consumer rights require the carriers to unlock post-paid phones at any time you wish. some ask for a fee, some don't.

here in Austria unlocking any phone by any method is perfectly legal.

and in Israel selling locked phones is illegal

on Jan 27, 2013

DrJBHL

Quoting kona0197, reply 36Well that still will not stop people from taking that phone to another carrier and having it flashed over to their service. It happens frequently around here. I don't think this law will stop it. I will make jailbreaking a phone illegal, but it will not stop people from jailbreaking phones.

Well, if you don't mind breaking the law, the discussion's moot - isn't it.

I don't know hat kona is saying that he'd break this law personally, just that there'll be an element who will, much like the moonshiners during the days of prohibition, and the millions of unlicensed drivers on roads all around the world. In some cases, a law is seen purely as an invitation to break it... on principle.

Many people think the law is an ass and therefore flout it.  I think the law is an ass in so many instances, but I don't tempt fate and break those laws I'm in disagreement with because it would be my luck to get caught each and every time, and prison garb just wouldn't suit me

So yeah, those laws are a deterrent to myself and like-minded others, but not everone thinks that way... its an adventure to see how many times they can get away with it.  Sadly, I have a son who thinks that way, despite being brought up differently.

on Jan 27, 2013

for the Australians:

if those Aussie ski bums here aren't talking complete bullshit: your consumer rights require the carriers to unlock post-paid phones at any time you wish. some ask for a fee, some don't.

Ski bums?  What?  We're going through a fricking heat wave, so the only skiing here right now is on water....

As for carriers unlocking phones out of contract, yeah, most charge for the service, anything up to 50 bucks, depending on the carrier. However, if we return to the store where the missus and I purchased the phones I'm sure they'd unlock them for gratis when the contract's up... they're good like that.

on Jan 27, 2013

starkers
Ski bums?  What?  We're going through a fricking heat wave, so the only skiing here right now is on water....

 

that might be the reason why they come here in winter (on the upper half).

on Jan 27, 2013

even in the US jailbreaking is not illegal. unlocking became illegal in the US yesterday.

Every three years, the Copyright Office reviews the rules for unlocking and jailbreaking your phone as part of the review of rules that the DMCA mandates.

This time they determined that there were enough unlocked phones for sale, and therefore unlocking your own without the permission of your carrier would be illegal.

Proponents of unlocking argued that “some devices sold by carriers are permanently locked and because unlocking policies contain restrictions and may not apply to all of a carrier's devices."

The Copyright Office wasn’t buying: "with respect to newly purchased phones, proponents had not satisfied their burden of showing adverse effects related to a technological protection measure."

They did (on Oct. 28th of 20120) give consumers a 90 day period to unlock their phones without permission. They upheld the ruling that jailbreaking (running unauthorized apps) would still be legal, although it could certainly void your warranty (iPhone is the main phone affected by jailbreaking).

on Jan 27, 2013

???

 

DrJBHL
They upheld the ruling that jailbreaking (running unauthorized apps) would still be legal

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