Ramblings of an old Doc

 

First of all, in W8, “Windows Defender” is MSE (Microsoft Security Essentials) and it will give antiviral and anti-malware protection (the two are now combined under one roof). W8 will come with it and the Windows firewall.

That’s a good thing, right?

Well, consider the fact that OEM’s (Dell, HP, etc.) and Security software companies make money from installing “trialware/bloatware” on new computers. The OEM’s make it from the various companies whose trialware is installed, and those companies from the folks who decide to buy that software down the line.

So, we have a conflict of interest here… The Security software companies are unhappy about Windows Defender (and why is it really needed in this supposedly super secure OS, anyway?) and the OEM’s are unhappy because they’ll be missing a chunk of bucks from those companies.

MS to the rescue. Not necessarily your rescue, though.

When the “trialware” use period is over, W8 will start a 15 day countdown. You will get periodic warnings from the Action Center to update the definitions for this (unnecessary) software, or to install a Security program!

At the end of the 15 days, the warning will expand to include:

  • The user can renew their existing antivirus software
  • Uninstall their existing software and activate Windows Defender or
  • Select another security software from Microsoft Store
  • Click on the Remind me later button – which now starts another 7 day countdown.

       - The Windows Club

Windows 8 will activate only activate if it detects no other active security program.

It won’t tell you any other program isn’t really necessary, also it won’t tell you that if you already have another program installed you can continue to use it.

Windows 8 will not tell you that for the 15 day period during which you have the options to buy, unistall, or remind again in 7 days YOU ARE NOT PROTECTED.

In fact, if you do choose to “remind in 7 days”, you will be unprotected for 22 days!

So, please remember:

  • If you buy a computer with W8 installed and you have pre-existing Security software you wish to continue to use, install it promptly and uninstall any “trialware” or,
  • At the end of the trial period of the Security software either buy that software or uninstall it and activate Windows Defender and the Windows firewall.
  • Windows Defender will not automatically activate unless the “trialware” is uninstalled. The same might also be true when any subscribed to Security software’s subscription ends.

Also, please remember: You are not MS’s primary concern. Big business and trouble free profits are.

Source:

http://www.thewindowsclub.com/microsoft-behavior-windows-defender-windows-8-oems-security-companies

 


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on Aug 27, 2012

I've never been hit with anything either. Reason why? I visit the same sites everyday and hardly wander from those sites. Personally, in my opinion, I think scanning multiple times a week is too much. It uses resources that could be better used elsewhaere, and the constant scanning can cause premature wear and tear on the hard drive. 

Oh and I take care of other computers, and they scan once a month, and have no issues. Pretty sure other people around here scan once a month as well.

So there... 

on Aug 27, 2012

kona0197
I've never been hit with anything either. Reason why? I visit the same sites everyday and hardly wander from those sites. Personally, in my opinion, I think scanning multiple times a week is too much. It uses resources that could be better used elsewhaere, and the constant scanning can cause premature wear and tear on the hard drive. 

 

Lol, well i commend you for only ever visiting the "same" sites everyday and hardly wandering from them. That puts you in a vast minority of internet users. Even though that is no guarantee that those sites cannot become infected and transfer that infection to your system, but i digress. Your argument about "using resource that could be better used elsewhere" is flawed. Since when is security a bad use of resources. I call it common sense and protecting yourself from harm. And if one uses that same common sense they are also backing up their data so if a hard drive does go belly up then you have back ups. So maybe your hard drive will last a few hours longer than mine.... big woop. I prefer safety and piece of mind over the fact that it costs 0.11c per Gb to replace a HDD and transfer your sensibly backed up data to it. So keep scanning once a month if you like, that's your choice. I say it's irresponsible, you don't..that's ok. Your entitled to that view. I on the other hand will keep scanning twice a week and backing up my data in case of HDD failure knowing that i am doing the right thing.

on Aug 27, 2012

What makes you think what you are doing is the right thing? Honestly I think your a bit paranoid. As I said before I am sure there are plenty of users on this board that perform scans only once a month and backup their data once a month. Your argument about hard drives being cheap is flawed. What about those who can't afford even a cheap new hard drive? As for my argument about resources I only have 512 MB of RAM on this machine and can't afford to upgrade so scanning in the background is something I would rather not do when I am running Windows.

on Aug 27, 2012

No one's paranoid.

No one's right. No one's wrong.

Nimbin does 'a'. kona does 'b'.

And it all matters zilch..... because the Mayans will have the last word.

 

 

on Aug 27, 2012

Between now and late December I'm doing nightly backups and scanning weekly.  After that, Doc, I'm with you.

on Aug 28, 2012

kona0197
Pretty sure other people around here scan once a month as well.

That may be so....

I scan every day - it's constant anyway...checking what comes and goes.

I backup every day...with redundancies to a third drive ...and full system image every week.

 

HDs going cheap isn't flawed at all.  It's true.  The only issue is when 'cheap' may be interpreted other than 'relative'.

 

What's often the case is those who DON'T scan regularly simply DON'T KNOW they ARE infected/hit with something....

 

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on Aug 28, 2012

Hard drives being cheap does not matter when you are broke. 

on Aug 28, 2012

kona0197
As for my argument about resources I only have 512 MB of RAM on this machine and can't afford to upgrade so scanning in the background is something I would rather not do when I am running Windows.

Okay, then, what about scanning just before or when you go to bed... when you're not doing anything important?  Many scanners these days have a shutdown PC when done feature, so why not use that just before going to bed, thus saving your resources for things you want/need to do. 

As for only having 512mb of RAM, you'd be in a small minority these days with such limited resources, so it's a bit unfair/closed minded to expect others with much more powerful systems to behave as you do on a less powerful machine.  I am with Nimbin on this one, because I have more than ample resources to run video editing programs and several other items while scanning, so to err on the side of caution I scan at least every other day... sometimes more often if I visited sites I'm not too familiar with.

on Aug 28, 2012

No need to scan at all Starkers - I mostly use Linux on this machine. Plus i shut the machine down every night before going to bed.

on Aug 28, 2012

kona0197
No need to scan at all Starkers - I mostly use Linux on this machine. Plus i shut the machine down every night before going to bed.

So all that back and forth with Nimbin was....?????

Why ask why?

 

on Aug 28, 2012

Sorry Doc, I was just trying to point out that perhaps there are better things to do then constantly scan for viruses and malware on a computer. 

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