Ramblings of an old Doc

 

So many people and organizations are in budgetary trouble, so why should SETI be any different?

Because it embodies a primal need of people: To know we aren’t alone. The shuttle program is gone. Startrek’s limited to reruns. Our superheroes aren’t all that super anymore. Now they’re mutants and results of technology gone awry, spider bites, reformed weapons industry magnates with weird science.

The whole paragon has undergone deflation and shrinkage, and I don’t like the subliminal defeatism this sponsors.

Jill Tarter, SETI’s Directrix for the past 35 years is stepping down. “Stepping up” would be more appropriate, since she really isn’t quitting – she’s just going to become an unsalaried employee because of the desire not to be a drain on SETI. It turns out SETI’s problem is coming from California’s and NASA’s budgetary woes. Those aren’t going to change anytime soon. Since the shuttles are now being replaced by private enterprise, how about some corporate funding for SETI?

Since Google has plans for space based internet, and since Google powers well over 90% of terrestrial searches – how about “SETI – GOOGLE powered”? Or Intel? Seriously… the corporations which profited from NASA and space exploration should step up.

We’re talking small amounts (relatively) to keep the dream going. How about it, Google? How about powering kids’ imaginations – with or without Google Doodle.

“Don’t be evil”.

 

Source:

http://www.zdnet.com/blog/foremski/setis-search-for-alien-life-is-in-trouble/2292?tag=main;top-stories


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on Jun 06, 2012

Well said Fuzzy.

on Jun 07, 2012

Ditto... you hit the nail on the head there, Fuzzy... right on the head.

Yup, it really annoys me when governments can fund seemingly pointless research projects [studying the effects of wind on leaves], yet more important research [such as SETI] gets little or no funding from government[s]

Still, there are various corporations who have benefited from space research/exploration, electronics, fabrics, metals, etc, so perhaps they could contribute something to help SETI's research to help keep going.

on Jun 07, 2012

starkers
Still, there are various corporations who have benefited from space research/exploration, electronics, fabrics, metals, etc, so perhaps they could contribute something to help SETI's research to help keep going.

Exactly... Those who benefited and who can benefit from positive PR spin should get behind this. Which was the point of the OP.

on Jun 07, 2012

DrJBHL
Those who benefited and who can benefit from positive PR spin should get behind this. Which was the point of the OP

If only I had the influence in the right ears... I'd say a few words to that effect.  Still, companies like Microsoft and Apple could help out, some of the electronics giants, too.

on Jun 07, 2012

on Jun 07, 2012

Bravo, Heavenfall. Excellent find.

on Jun 07, 2012

Corporations, the great saviors of humanity. *booming music*

Ah yes, Batman, Iron Man, Green Arrow and every other comic book ultra super rich archetype.  That's why they're comics, so comical.

What's this 'big scheme'.....the fears and hopes of the God-wallopers that Man is his ultimate creation?...

I think you've seen the movie Contact one too many times there Jafo.  Starting to take it a little too seriously.

 

Genesis states the first man and woman but that other people physically predate them.   Hmm, people but not the first man and woman, maybe aliens?  The Vatican has already publicly explained there is no religious conflict with the existence of alien life.

 

 

 

SETI is an outdated money sink pork program, one of a great many.  The times are changing.  We can't continue to afford spending like this in an unsustainable manner.  Sure removing one straw won't appear to effect the haystack but try to look on the bright side.  The more we cut, then the more we can redirect to the next generation SETI like program in the future.  A former NASA director once said: "If the public knew the real size of our budget, they'd riot."

The way I personally see SETI, is an obstacle preventing a better future program to replace it and has an improved chance to reach the same objective.

on Jun 07, 2012

So who funds the SETI search now?
Current SETI searches are funded by a few major donors (such as William Hewlett, David Packard, Gordon Moore, Paul Allen, and Barney Oliver), foundations and many individuals.

http://www.seti.org/faq



on Jun 07, 2012

RogueCaptain
SETI is an outdated money sink pork program, one of a great many.  The times are changing.  We can't continue to afford spending like this in an unsustainable manner.  Sure removing one straw won't appear to effect the haystack but try to look on the bright side.  The more we cut, then the more we can redirect to the next generation SETI like program in the future.  A former NASA director once said: "If the public knew the real size of our budget, they'd riot."

The way I personally see SETI, is an obstacle preventing a better future program to replace it and has an improved chance to reach the same objective.

Not really.

The amount of money being spent on SETI is completely insignificant.  Its current budget is something like $3 million a year, which is nothing compared to any project.  The cost of a next generation radio telescope like the SKA is around $2 billion, and even a smaller project like LOFAR is somewhere around $150 million.  Basically, even if you saved the money from SETI for some bigger project, I don't think you would even be keeping pace with inflation.  It would certainty take you literally a hundred years or so to save up that money enough to do anything.

I also very much doubt that a former NASA director said that since NASA's budget hasnt been very high since the Apollo years, and people knew how much was being spent back then.  It's also mostly irrelevant since NASA doesn't have much to do with SETI - SETI doesn't get any government funds directly, although they can get funding from NSF grants and the like.

on Jun 08, 2012

RogueCaptain

SETI is an outdated money sink pork program, one of a great many.  The times are changing.  We can't continue to afford spending like this in an unsustainable manner.  Sure removing one straw won't appear to effect the haystack but try to look on the bright side.  The more we cut, then the more we can redirect to the next generation SETI like program in the future.  A former NASA director once said: "If the public knew the real size of our budget, they'd riot."

Funny, talking about money and sustainability as if they are not mutually exclusive concepts. Let me provide a somewhat similar quote, attributed to Henry Ford; "It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning." But that's for a different discussion

Could you provide a source for that quote btw?

And of course the Vatican would say alien life doens't conflict with their views. They're realistic enough to realise there is a very slim chance they might be proven wrong if they said it did. And they're not about updating their views when new evidence is presented now are they?

on Jun 12, 2012

sydneysiders
I love the romantic idea of SETI... making contact.... ending up like a warm and fuzzy episode of Star Trek.... but, in reality,  I have come 'round to the thinking of Stephen Hawking...

 

'If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1268712/Stephen-Hawking-Aliens-living-massive-ships-invade-Earth.html

 

Now i admit that Mr. Hawking is a LOT smarter than me, but i have to disagree with that. If these aliens were aggressive, like humans, wouldn't it be more likely they had destroyed themselves by fighing each other long before developing interstellar travel technology? Like humans. (Prove me wrong, i dare you! ).

on Jun 13, 2012

Satrhan
Taxmoney is going to be spend on stuff you don't like, deal with it.

Yes it is, and thats why people vote on things.  So that when people decide spending is wasteful they can stop paying it as a group...and some people are always going to bitch about whatever was stopped just as some people are always going to bitch about paying for it in the first place.

Personally, if SETI had produced any results I'd see the point.  As it is I do not.  We have enough problems here already that we could be investing in fixing.

I wouldn't mind NASA coming back at some point but short term I don't see the point there either.  The R&D that space exploration enabled seemed to be becoming mostly irrelevant before funding got shut off.

Now if only we stopped paying so much money to bomb the shit out of everyone I guess I'd be in a better mood about things.

on Jun 13, 2012

Now if only we stopped paying so much money to bomb the shit out of everyone I guess I'd be in a better mood about things.

Would be nice.

Prove me wrong, i dare you!

There you go.

Seriously, though: Discoveries rarely come by schedule or on demand. It takes time and patience, and yes... because the equipment is not free, it takes money. Tax money is not used, unless a government agency tasks SETI with a specific problem, which is then paid for as any contractor/subcontractor would be: Not charity or a give-away.

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